Iran: US build-up of forces

[kingofnerf]

Here is the comparison of the navies of the U.S. and China:

Category	China	U.S.
Submarines	73	71
Aircraft carriers	3	11
Destroyers	58	78
Cruisers	0	18
Frigates	47	1
Corvettes	50	33
Amphibious ships	107	58
Patrol boats	94	0
Mine warfare ships	58	4
Support ships	468	81
Other ships	51	36

Key observations

• Numerical edge: China leads in total ships, destroyers, amphibious vessels, and patrol boats.
• Qualitative edge: The U.S. still has more advanced platforms — especially aircraft carriers, cruisers, and destroyers.
• Aircraft carriers: The U.S. has 11, China has 3, but all are modern nuclear-powered carriers.
• Submarines: Nearly equal numbers, but China’s fleet is growing rapidly.
• Amphibious and patrol vessels: China’s amphibious fleet is larger, and it has a significant patrol boat force, while the U.S. relies on fewer but more capable patrol craft.

I got the numbers from an AI search and I think the frigate count for us maybe incorrect.

 

[Spur's Addiction]

Memorial Day weekend coming up. Fuels prices up to $4.50 / gallon average.

Nearly 3 months after the start of the war, Negotiations with Iran have searingly stalled. Straight remains closed to shipping, Iran still has nuke ambitions and capability, Same regime still in charge.

President said at the beginning this will be a short number weeks. Currently at 12 weeks and counting. How much longer are American's supposed to bend over at the pump?

 

[AikenGameFan]

I got the numbers from an AI search and I think the frigate count for us maybe incorrect.

The Frigates were replaced with DDG's and now they are making Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) and starting a new class of FFG's. All very advanced electronically, upgraded guided missile ships. But our Cruisers are also very advanced and a lot like a frigate was.

I know we got rid of most of the Patrol boats after Nam. but they did try some new hydro foil boats that just never took off.

I served on an Aircraft Carrier and a Destroyer and I do not think China has been able to steal enough info yet to even be close to what we have. They have a lot of nice ships, but no where near as advanced.

I would hate to have to go to war against them, but I feel our aircraft from the carriers would quickly knock out most of their fleet. I mean it only took us 2 days to devastate all of Iran's 145 ship Navy. The Rev. Guard still has some small patrol boats hidden, but we eliminate them when they try to come out into the straight.

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[gamecock88]

A war with China would be terrible for both sides. We can’t even stop a desert country with a huge disadvantage from closing a major shipping lane. Ukraine will need to help educate and bring us up to speed on defending against mass drone attacks. Don’t let our arrogance think that we have some advantage over China or really them on us. They are really good a marching and parades tho so hopefully we never have a battle of the bands against them.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Memorial Day weekend coming up. Fuels prices up to $4.50 / gallon average.

Nearly 3 months after the start of the war, Negotiations with Iran have searingly stalled. Straight remains closed to shipping, Iran still has nuke ambitions and capability, Same regime still in charge.

President said at the beginning this will be a short number weeks. Currently at 12 weeks and counting. How much longer are American's supposed to bend over at the pump?

We were bent over the pumps for 4 years under the previous administration.

 

[Spur's Addiction]

We were bent over the pumps for 4 years under the previous administration.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

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Don't forget to post the chart when this is in the rear view mirror.

 

[JimG]

 

[Spur's Addiction]

3 months in. What is going on?

• Cease Fire seems to be breaking.
• Lot's of talk about a deal, but no specifics.
• Iran still has enriched Uranium.
• No regime change.
• No unconditional surrender.
• Straight of Hormouz closed.
• Price of Oil and Gas still elevated.

We are in a worse position then 3 months ago prior to the war. None of the objectives (I use that term loosely, since the justification for the war have been all over the map) have been met. And the straight of Hormouz is closed, which it was not at the start.

Maybe Trump will pull out a deal that is favorable to the US. But the longer this drags on, the more unlikely that is.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

We need to set a short and firm deadline like 12 midnight Friday the 29th EST and if they have not agreed to give up the uranium resume the bombing until they do. Enough is enough.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

3 months in. What is going on?

• Cease Fire seems to be breaking.
• Lot's of talk about a deal, but no specifics.
• Iran still has enriched Uranium.
• No regime change.
• No unconditional surrender.
• Straight of Hormouz closed.
• Price of Oil and Gas still elevated.

We are in a worse position then 3 months ago prior to the war. None of the objectives (I use that term loosely, since the justification for the war have been all over the map) have been met. And the straight of Hormouz is closed, which it was not at the start.

Maybe Trump will pull out a deal that is favorable to the US. But the longer this drags on, the more unlikely that is.

Gas prices in West Columbia/Cayce has declined about 30 cents in the last 7-10 days.

 

[AikenGameFan]

We need to set a short and firm deadline like 12 midnight Friday the 29th EST and if they have not agreed to give up the uranium resume the bombing until they do. Enough is enough.

I can understand with Mojtaba Khamenei being so deep in hiding it can be hard to get decisions made, but I think they have had enough time. So far all the media has reported is that he stated "that regional countries would no longer serve as staging grounds for US military bases." And then yesterday Iran sent a missle towards Kuwait where we have bases. I hate the chance of any of our troops getting shot at, but I really think we may have to go in and take the uranium. We our superior air power, we would be able to protect them pretty well until they had to go underground.

 

[gamecock88]

Gas prices in West Columbia/Cayce has declined about 30 cents in the last 7-10 days.

That’s a good sign. Hopefully the upstate follows that soon. We have seen some fluctuations but nothing like that in my area.

 

[gamecock88]

I can understand with Mojtaba Khamenei being so deep in hiding it can be hard to get decisions made, but I think they have had enough time. So far all the media has reported is that he stated "that regional countries would no longer serve as staging grounds for US military bases." And then yesterday Iran sent a missle towards Kuwait where we have bases. I hate the chance of any of our troops getting shot at, but I really think we may have to go in and take the uranium. We our superior air power, we would be able to protect them pretty well until they had to go underground.

Yeah and you also have to wonder who is really in command. I know their whole game plan is built on contingencies for various leaders in their hierarchy being taken out with others acting independently. Makes it harder to call for and maintain an actual cease fire. Not sure how you go take uranium and then where do you take it. They have to be rendered incapable of enrichment or this whole thing has been the farce many suspect it has been.

 

[JimG]

We need to set a short and firm deadline like 12 midnight Friday the 29th EST and if they have not agreed to give up the uranium resume the bombing until they do. Enough is enough.

We can't.
We are almost out of critical weapons.
We can thank "Yes" men in the WH and Pentagon saying what the boss wanted to hear.
The IRGC knows this and can play hard ball.
All the threats, bluster, analyses, expert opinions; are just a smoke screen if none of them address this reality.

Severity Of America’s Depleted Advanced Weapons Stockpiles Detailed In New Report
America's stockpile of critical standoff and air and missile defense weapons is now a strategic vulnerability foes could take advantage of.

Severity Of America's Depleted Advanced Weapons Stockpiles Detailed In New Report

America's stockpile of critical standoff and air and missile defense weapons is now a strategic vulnerability foes could take advantage of.

www.twz.com

 

[gamecock88]

We can't.
We are almost out of critical weapons.
We can thank "Yes" men in the WH and Pentagon saying what the boss wanted to hear.
The IRGC knows this and can play hard ball.
All the threats, bluster, analyses, expert opinions; are just a smoke screen if none of them address this reality.

Severity Of America's Depleted Advanced Weapons Stockpiles Detailed In New Report

America's stockpile of critical standoff and air and missile defense weapons is now a strategic vulnerability foes could take advantage of.

www.twz.com

And the “enemy” knows this and understands US policy and politics well enough to just dig in just as they have done. They don’t have to win a matchup against the Navy and Air Force, just wait it out. Israel called for this war and as their dog the WH jumped. Nothing will change in that part of the world and we have history or making it all worse with the regime changes and financing the zionists.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

And the “enemy” knows this and understands US policy and politics well enough to just dig in just as they have done. They don’t have to win a matchup against the Navy and Air Force, just wait it out. Israel called for this war and as their dog the WH jumped. Nothing will change in that part of the world and we have history or making it all worse with the regime changes and financing the zionists.

So you believe Israel is pulling the strings? Seriously?

And we may be running somewhat short of certain munitions but I can assure you as a former 55B40 (ammunition storage and operations specialist) that we have an ample abundance of ordinance that can be used against Iran.

 

[kingofnerf]

Most wars are fought until one or both sides run out of stuff and there is peace.

 

[JimG]

So you believe Israel is pulling the strings? Seriously?

And we may be running somewhat short of certain munitions but I can assure you as a former 55B40 (ammunition storage and operations specialist) that we have an ample abundance of ordinance that can be used against Iran.

We may not be running out of bombs, but those Patriot, THAAD, & USN SM-3 interceptor missiles are almost depleted. Also include all those Patriot systems we sold to other countries, which are now vulnerable to supply issues.

We cannot defend the ME against consistent IRGC missile attacks. They can devastate most of the POL facilities in the ME and we cannot stop them.
And any base we have in that area is vulnerable as well.

 

[JimG]

Nothing will change in that part of the world and we have history or making it all worse with the regime changes and financing the zionists.

The US obsession with the IRGC having nucs is not aging well.
It may be in our best interest to wash our hands of this & let sleeping dogs lay.

If Israel is so obsessed with this, then let them nuc Iran. What are their nucs deterring if the IRGC doesn't fear them?
The threat of having nucs is that you would actually use them. That may be the only thing that gets the IRGC's attention.