Iran: US build-up of forces

[Blitzkrieg]

The US obsession with the IRGC having nucs is not aging well.
It may be in our best interest to wash our hands of this & let sleeping dogs lay.

If Israel is so obsessed with this, then let them nuc Iran. What are their nucs deterring if the IRGC doesn't fear them?
The threat of having nucs is that you would actually use them. That may be the only thing that gets the IRGC's attention.

Your stance assumes that the Iranian leadership is concerned about living and bettering their population's day to day living which they are not. They want to destroy Israel and have publicly stated their intent to do so on numerous occasions. They don't care if they get nuked in the process.

They don't care if their people incur horrendous casualties. It's been estimated that the Iranian regime has killed somewhere between 30 - 50k of their own citizens who have dared to protest in the last 6-8 weeks. The nuclear option for them needs to be taken off the table.

 

[gamecock88]

Yeah they’re bad people but many of their neighbors are as well. US rockets have hit a school. Israeli snipers have shot children. This has never really been about Iran. Benny wanted to go to war and Donny had to follow. Nothing will come of this that is lasting aside from more hate of US for meddling. There are bad people all over the world but these are the ones Israel wants to go after.

 

[JimG]

The nuclear option for them needs to be taken off the table.

Requires a full-on invasion. You want to come out of retirement?

 

[JimG]

Benny wanted to go to war...

In all fairness, Oct 7 started the dominoes. Israel was forced to respond. What happened after that is a nightmare & in hindsight, US should have stayed out of it.
And you are correct, the IDF is guilty of war crimes. Some of them are animals as well.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Requires a full-on invasion. You want to come out of retirement?

No, it doesn't require a full on invasion. This could have already been over if some of our gutless "allies" would step up.


And yes I would gladly come out of retirement if I was needed. What do you think Iran would do with a nuclear weapon?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah they’re bad people but many of their neighbors are as well. US rockets have hit a school. Israeli snipers have shot children. This has never really been about Iran. Benny wanted to go to war and Donny had to follow. Nothing will come of this that is lasting aside from more hate of US for meddling. There are bad people all over the world but these are the ones Israel wants to go after.

Are you aware that Iranian proxies have launched thousands of missiles and rockets against Israel? How much crap are they supposed to take? Would we put up with it?

 

[JimG]

No, it doesn't require a full on invasion. This could have already been over if some of our gutless "allies" would step up.

That's a big assumption. A similar assumption was made in the decision to attack Iran in the first place & it was highly flawed with gross underestimations of how formidable Iran's counter strike capabilities were.

We could be in there for years fighting on their turf & our "allies" are sensible enough to know this regardless of current administration rhetoric.

 

[gamecock88]

Are you aware that Iranian proxies have launched thousands of missiles and rockets against Israel? How much crap are they supposed to take? Would we put up with it?

Yes, they’re all governed by bad people. Atrocities abound from both sides. There’s no moral high ground the further you look. No, we wouldn’t put up with it here but we don’t have a dog on a leash like Israel does so we’d go it alone. Our military hasn’t fought a war in defense of this country’s freedom in my lifetime. Those aren’t directly our issues and there are problems all over the globe but we’re strangely beholden to their defense.

 

[kingofnerf]

It seems like Israel serves as a Western foothold in the Middle East more than anything else.

For better or worse, we are fighting proxy wars in Israel and Ukraine right now.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

That's a big assumption. A similar assumption was made in the decision to attack Iran in the first place & it was highly flawed with gross underestimations of how formidable Iran's counter strike capabilities were.

We could be in there for years fighting on their turf & our "allies" are sensible enough to know this regardless of current administration rhetoric.

Our "allies" have far more at stake in this than we do and by and large they are hiding under the bed. It's their capitols that would be in range of a nuclear weapon and much of their oil is being held up in the Straight.

Again, Iran is the world's largest State sponsor of terrorism and has killed thousands of Americans as well as thousands of other various nationalities. Enough is enough.

 

[JimG]

Our "allies" have far more at stake in this than we do and by and large they are hiding under the bed. It's their capitols that would be in range of a nuclear weapon and much of their oil is being held up in the Straight.

Who's fault is that? Did we even consult any of our allies before we decided to attack Iran? Did we give any of our allies a chance to warn us of the possible peril of the Strait of Hormuz being closed by the IRGC?
This is all on the US and Israel and horrible intel.
And there were people who warned us about what could happen.
Unless something changes, the IRGC is likely to come out of this stronger.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Who's fault is that? Did we even consult any of our allies before we decided to attack Iran? Did we give any of our allies a chance to warn us of the possible peril of the Strait of Hormuz being closed by the IRGC?
This is all on the US and Israel and horrible intel.
And there were people who warned us about what could happen.
Unless something changes, the IRGC is likely to come out of this stronger.

I agree, we should have stayed out of it and if they dropped a nuke on Israel or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or UAE so what, it's not our problem.

 

[JimG]

I agree, we should have stayed out of it and if they dropped a nuke on Israel or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or UAE so what, it's not our problem.

Maybe we had a chance to do something with this if we had done it right and planned it better. But we screwed it up, didn't estimate the cost and had to let up on them when we started running out of ammo.
We have given them time to reset/reload. They've already dug out most of their underground sites we buried.
The ME cannot stand another wave of IRGC missile strikes.

It's over except for the rhetoric. The IRGC has the upper hand and they know it.
Sadly, I cannot think of a single objective that was accomplished & if the IRGC comes out of this stronger, we've royally effed up.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Maybe we had a chance to do something with this if we had done it right and planned it better. But we screwed it up, didn't estimate the cost and had to let up on them when we started running out of ammo.
We have given them time to reset/reload. They've already dug out most of their underground sites we buried.
The ME cannot stand another wave of IRGC missile strikes.

It's over except for the rhetoric. The IRGC has the upper hand and they know it.
Sadly, I cannot think of a single objective that was accomplished & if the IRGC comes out of this stronger, we've royally effed up.

I disagree with your conclusions. We are NOT out of ammo, the IRGC has incurred tremendous losses in men, material and equipment and are far worse off today than they were 6 weeks ago.

Whatever "recovery" they have accomplished can be wiped out in a day. This is far from a closed chapter.

As far as the ME not being able to withstand another wave of IRGC missile strikes what exactly are you in reference to? They have been taking missile strikes from this terrorist regime for decades already.

 

[JimG]

I disagree with your conclusions. We are NOT out of ammo, the IRGC has incurred tremendous losses in men, material and equipment and are far worse off today than they were 6 weeks ago.

Whatever "recovery" they have accomplished can be wiped out in a day. This is far from a closed chapter.

As far as the ME not being able to withstand another wave of IRGC missile strikes what exactly are you in reference to? They have been taking missile strikes from this terrorist regime for decades already.

Where are you getting your information from? Why did we stop in the first place?
If I'm wrong and you are right, the we should have no problem "finishing the job" and negotiations can take a hike.
Just take a look at this:

Iran attacks damage 20 US military sites since start of war, satellite images show

https://x.com/i/trending/2061453394653618298

 

[gamecock88]

Talks and “ceasefire” breaking down. Iran is threatening to close the strait again. Somehow they’re managing to still strike back. Somehow nuclear is still on the table after Donny declared both destroyed. Kinda hard to determine who’s telling the truth in all this mess.

 

[kingofnerf]

Iran had to be punished for the Oct 7th attacks and that has been done.

As far as the tolls in the Strait go, our tariff policies have planted those seeds in Iran and other nations. It just is what it is, but Iran has been punished.

 

[Spur's Addiction]

What a mess. Non of the objectives for starting the war have been met (as far as we know). Plus now Iran has the world by the balls with the straight of Hormouz.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Where are you getting your information from? Why did we stop in the first place?
If I'm wrong and you are right, the we should have no problem "finishing the job" and negotiations can take a hike.
Just take a look at this:

Iran attacks damage 20 US military sites since start of war, satellite images show

https://x.com/i/trending/2061453394653618298

I base it on the fact that during my 24 years in the Army (I was a 55B40 among several other jobs which is an ammunition storage and operations specialist) I know for a fact that we have vast amounts of munitions prepositioned all over the world as well as the US.

We are also not in the habit of divulging munition inventory information to news sources. It's my understanding that the reason we stopped and have given Iran multiply chances to comply is because several countries (especially Pakistan) have asked for it as they try to be a player in bringing about a resolution.

It's also my understanding that we don't want to destroy any more of Iran's infrastructure than we absolutely have to because we don't have a beef with the Iranian people and ww would like Iran to be up and running as soon as possible.

Also understand that this administration is dealing with a hostile press here and abroad and will do everything they can to paint a negative spin on things. Iran is a paper tiger no better than Iraq was when all of the hand wringing and pearl clutching was going on about the thousands of American soldiers that would be coming home in body bags from going up against that (at the time) big and bad 4th largest Army in the world.

 

[gamecock88]

I base it on the fact that during my 24 years in the Army (I was a 55B40 among several other jobs which is an ammunition storage and operations specialist) I know for a fact that we have vast amounts of munitions prepositioned all over the world as well as the US.

We are also not in the habit of divulging munition inventory information to news sources. It's my understanding that the reason we stopped and have given Iran multiply chances to comply is because several countries (especially Pakistan) have asked for it as they try to be a player in bringing about a resolution.

It's also my understanding that we don't want to destroy any more of Iran's infrastructure than we absolutely have to because we don't have a beef with the Iranian people and ww would like Iran to be up and running as soon as possible.

Also understand that this administration is dealing with a hostile press here and abroad and will do everything they can to paint a negative spin on things. Iran is a paper tiger no better than Iraq was when all of the hand wringing and pearl clutching was going on about the thousands of American soldiers that would be coming home in body bags from going up against that (at the time) big and bad 4th largest Army in the world.

Thank you for your service and the intel. However “Army munitions” is wide ranging. I think the shortages I’ve been reading on are mostly about missiles and interceptors/defense systems. There’s obvious overlap across branches but the same sites telling us we’re winning are reporting the shortages. Iran infrastructure isn’t what’s still closing the strait and launching attacks at allies. If we can take them out with ease, we shouldn’t hold back if we’re loaded up. It certainly would make negotiating far easier.