Make no mistake about it, if Iran had obtained a nuclear weapon they would have used it against Israel and or other neighbors. They would have also used it against us if they had been able to strike that far.
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Iran: US build-up of forces
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I totally agree and if able probably would have been happy to send one our way as well.
Same. I have a friend who runs a small business in town and is from the Middle East. Last week we talked and he asked me if I thought Trump would bomb Iran. I told him I didn't know but Trump has lately sent out ultimatums and then attacks before the deadline hits. My friend shook his head and said Tehran wasn't weak like I told him and confidently said Trump would not bomb Iran. That's really been the status quo up until this past weekend.
I retired from the Army in February 2000. At the Brigade Staff level we would have a quarterly "threat" briefing in addition to other matters/issues. These briefings listed possible armed conflict potential danger spots. Iran ALWAYS was mentioned as a top 3 threat. Always.
"Watch the canopy, Goose!"
First time I have seen a real flat spin other than the first Top Gun movie, which actually wasn't a real one, either. I think they just threw one of the F-14 models like a frisbee and filmed that for the movie.
Reading what Rubio just stated, I surmise that all those missiles launched at Israel last June was a big eye opener.
We're now seeing in real time just how formidable it is, how far the IRGC is willing to go, and how hard it is to stop. It will likely get uglier.
Add in WMDs and it's an Armaggedon event.
As controversial as "OP: Epic Fury" is, it's better than waiting for Armageddon to happen in the ME.
I'm not sure we really had a choice when looking at all of the considerations.
Also should be noted, that both Israel & the Saudis were pushing for this.
6 now the number of US Military dead from that strike in Kuwait. Man I sure hope all this is worth it.
We were told a pack of lies about WMDs that never materialized leading up to the invasion of Iraq. I just hope this is not the same.
We were told a pack of lies about WMDs that never materialized leading up to the invasion of Iraq. I just hope this is not the same.
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From the reporting I have seen, the IDF took out AK and they hacked into Tehran's street cameras to precisely track his movements until he was taken out.
Those Iranian drones that look like bat planes sound similar to the pulse-jet engines used in the V-1 and V-2 buzz bombs during WW2.
Those Iranian drones that look like bat planes sound similar to the pulse-jet engines used in the V-1 and V-2 buzz bombs during WW2.
Still struggling to understand the reason for this war. Over the last few days we have heard the following:
How does it end? I haven't heard a good, consistent end goal.
Oh, and I guess we are continuing the tradition of President's starting wars without congress declaring war. So much for the constitution.
- Iran is getting close to developing Nukes. I thought last summers centrifuge facility strike took care of that and obliterated their nuclear program and set them back for years. - Which is it? They both can't be true. And also - I am weary of the whole WMD argument after Sadam's WMDs ended up being a nothingburger.
- Regime Change - Trump urged Iranian citizens to rise up and overthrow the government. But other officials have said Regime change is not the goal.
- We just joined in with Israel because they decided to attack either way, so we had no choice but to weaken their response capability.
How does it end? I haven't heard a good, consistent end goal.
Oh, and I guess we are continuing the tradition of President's starting wars without congress declaring war. So much for the constitution.
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You’re not wrong in questioning all this. If and that’s a big if, the Iranians were able to get nukes, they’re batshit fanatical enough to use them. If they had any other means to wipe out Israel, they’d use that too. But our “regime” change history is why we’re dealing with them now. They shouldn’t even be in power in Persia. I’m thinking this is more about what Israel wants than what the US needs. Flexing muscle in the region by taking out a supply chain to China and a buddy to Russia. It’s absolutely about regime change.
In the end, I’m afraid all this really accomplishes is creating more fanatics, satisfying Israel for the time being, and justifies the need to spend more defense $ on those election promises.
This one makes more sense to me than giving billions to Ukraine, but people were quick to put Ukraine flags on their profiles and comments like, "I stand with Ukraine" meanwhile it was one of the most corrupt countries in the world. They justified it by saying if we don't make a stand here, Russia will take over all of Europe and started comparing it to Nazi Germany. I don't think any of us are privy to all of the geopolitical reasons behind a lot of what we do when we meddle in other countries and a lot of it has gone badly over the years for sure. All I know here is that we had a leader who wanted nuclear weapons and wanted to end the US and Israel and was a menace to the middle east. You can see now they don't really care who they attack they are just trying to hold onto power. I do think a lot of the bitching about this we are hearing is politically driven and that is just how our Govt. operates now. Get the other side not matter the cost and that is really shameful. Not making this political as BOTH sides are guilty of this we the average citizen are stuck in the middle and some get sucked into it and start forming opinions with a real lack of information. I read the bullet points you laid out in someone's editorial so not sure if you cut and pasted or if you genuinely had these thoughts as well, but I would be careful to to rush to any judgements and let's see how this plays out. It could be a real mistake or it may have a good outcome there is no real way for us to know right now.
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@Longhaul - I get what you're saying. The leadership of Iran (I don't for a minute believe that the average Persian is on board with the leadership's policies) has been responsible for literally thousands of American casualties as well as tens of thousands of foreign casualties.
They loudly and unapologetically constantly proclaim that their intent is to wipe Israel off of the map and to attack us in our homeland if they get the capability to do so. They fund terrorists organizations all over the Middle East.
If I live in a neighborhood where one of the neighbors constantly states that they are going to drive me out of the neighborhood and or kill me and my family if they get the chance I'm going to take that threat seriously. IMHO this action is long overdue. The UN should be doing this but as we all know they are a complete and utter useless organization.
They loudly and unapologetically constantly proclaim that their intent is to wipe Israel off of the map and to attack us in our homeland if they get the capability to do so. They fund terrorists organizations all over the Middle East.
If I live in a neighborhood where one of the neighbors constantly states that they are going to drive me out of the neighborhood and or kill me and my family if they get the chance I'm going to take that threat seriously. IMHO this action is long overdue. The UN should be doing this but as we all know they are a complete and utter useless organization.
Agree that both sides are guilty of getting us entangled in conflicts. But actively bombing is on a different level then supporting with aide and weapons. But the case can be made that we should be doing neither.
Huh? One of your neighbors has threatened to kill you?
I have to say that part of me thinks Iranian crude oil will be coming our way instead of Russian or Chinese markets at some point, just like Venezuelan oil.
The usual "Iran can't have nukes" is a legit argument, but I have to think oil is part of it as well this time around.
The usual "Iran can't have nukes" is a legit argument, but I have to think oil is part of it as well this time around.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion but no.
Ukraine is our friend.
We are the ones who did not hold Russia accountable for breaking the Bucharest Memorandum treaty, which is when Ukraine gave up their nukes. This goes back through 3 US POTUS, so this isn't just a Dems v. GOP thing. We should have stood up to Putin when he invaded the Crimea (2014), then the Donbass.
Russian propaganda has been infiltrating US media for years and pushing the "corrupt Ukraine" theme is one of their narratives.
The Soviet Union was just as corrupt, if not more, but that didn't stop us from sending help during WWII. One of the reasons Russia has proven to be so inept at defeating Ukraine is their own corrupt system. We would be shocked at how bad so much of it is.
Also, keep in mind that multiple European countries are helping foot the bill for a lot of what we've sent the Ukrainians. US arms companies are making $$.
And now we're the ones asking the Ukrainians to send some of their experts to the Middle East to help us shoot down those Shahed drones, while Russia is likely to send their more advanced drones to Iran.
Ukraine is our ally, Russia our enemy.
Sorry - totally misread your post.
FurmanCock
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I think I read somewhere, maybe even in this thread(?), that since 1979, Iran has directly attacked Americans something like 44 times. Out of all possible military conflicts in which we could be involved, this seems a fairly easy justification. That said, I hope there is a quick and effective end game that does involve regime change.
More recently, they were directly responsible for assisting terror groups in Iraq killing US soldiers. They have US blood on their hands.