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ACC commissioner regarding Florida State and the Big 12: ‘I don’t deal in hypotheticals’(thread)

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Interesting commentary from Bart Wright of The Greenville News in today’s The State paper about the FSU ‘Noles with some jabs at the a-she-she. http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20120514/SPORTS/305140006/FSU-flap-fails-recognize-what-s-ACC-horizon?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports&nclick_check=1

“In the two years Fisher has coached the Seminoles, they’ve been 11-5. Pop the cork on the champagne, Jimbo, you were almost good enough to win the softest division in major college football outside the Big East.”

 
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If Florida State leaves for the Big 12, Virginia Tech and N.C. State could be headed to the SEC

Unless you've been living in a cave, you've already heard that the rumor of Florida State being interested in the Big 12 is picking up steam. While we aren't in full-fledged expansion mode like we were last summer, the possibility still remains that we could get to that point if Florida State and another school bail on the ACC in favor of greener pastures.

If we do get to full-on super-conference expansion mode, where would the SEC look?

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Virginia Tech head coach Frank Beamer

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Virginia Tech and NC State, by my estimation.

Virginia Tech has established itself as the powerhouse of the new-look ACC. It has won three of the last five ACC championship games and has finished in the Top 20 of the Associated Press poll eight of the last 10 seasons.

More importantly, it would bring the coveted Washington, D.C. television market into the SEC footprint. Expansion is all about television revenue, and adding the No. 8 television market in the country to the SEC's growing list of cities would undoubtedly add to the bottom line. It may be a four-hour drive to Blacksburg, but the Hokies have a big following in the D.C./Northern Virginia area.

I know, I know; it took a lot of political wrangling in the state of Virginia to get Virginia Tech into the ACC to begin with. But if the Big 12 takes two, three or even four ACC teams, the ACC could start crumbling even with the additions of Pittsburgh and Syracuse. At that point, politics would take a back seat in favor of self-preservation.

Which brings us to NC State.

The Wolfpack are by no means a football power, but it would bring in the Raleigh-Durham television market in the country, which a lot of people don't realize is ranked No. 23 in Nielsen's latest audience rankings. Plus, the $48,845 median household income in the market makes it even more appealing.

Would people in the area care more for NC State football if it were in the SEC? That remains to be seen. Would recruits? Certainly.

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N.C. State quarterback Mike Glennon

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I thought the realignment dominoes would fall towards 16-team superconferences last season, but several factors forced college football leaders to pump the brakes on that for the time being.

Florida State jumping ship could kick-start that process, however, and don't be shocked if the move results in Virginia Tech and NC State landing in the SEC.

 
ACC commissioner regarding Florida State and the Big 12: ‘I don’t deal in hypotheticals’

ACC commissioner John Swofford isn't going to indulge in speculation of Florida State leaving the ACC for the Big 12. Instead, he said he believes FSU and the conference have a good working relationship and he doesn't expect that to change any time soon.

"I don't deal in hypotheticals, I deal with what's tangible," Swofford told media Wednesday during the ACC spring meetings in Amelia Island, Fla. "It's what we're doing as a league with the current 12, soon to be 14 membership league, and we're moving ahead on the basis of that full membership."

Rumors of Florida State's defection to the Big 12 have been rampant for the past week ever since Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com, laid out the reasons why a move would be beneficial for the Seminoles. Since then, everyone from Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher to members of the board of trustees has weighed in on the move. (more)

 
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A couple of member institutions of the ACC are considering leaving the conference because of the its lack of commitment to football as evidenced by the recent additions of Pitt and Syracuse and the renegotiated ESPN contract. Let's examine a few things:

 

1. The additions of Pitt and Syracuse have sent the fans in orange overalls over the ledge because these newest members have no football abilities. Since taters love history, they should already know both of those schools have more wins than their beloved Tigers and a combined 10 MNCs between them (SU - 1 and Pitt - 9). Clemson could only afford one. Also, each of those schools have more wins than Clemson. So, tell me why Clem fans are bitching about the addition of two football schools with richer and comparable football heritage?

 

2. TV contracts. If your product is worth the money you will be compensated. Simple. The B1G is worth the money networks are willing to spend to broadcast their games. The SEC even more so. One close look at this situation will expose the flagrant hypocrisy of ACC fans. Go back 12 years and think about the additions of BC, VT, Miami, and earlier, FSU. These were dynamite additions but those schools have underachieved for quite some time now and that lessens the value of the marketable product. Therefore, these schools want to leave the conference for reasons they were INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING. WTH are they thinking?

 

For good measure, anything USC does of value will be marked by the statement "the East is down. The East is down." Why does nobody ever make the distinction that the once-elite FB teams of the ACC currently suck and the one who does step up to the plate and win that tallest-midget contest gets repeatedly destroyed by a USC team that's always portrayed as a blind squirrel finding a nut? The whole ACC is down.

 
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Bobby Bowden’s message to FSU? ‘Stay in the ACC’

One very powerful Florida State official — and the board he chairs — has publicly stated that his school should listen to overtures from the Big 12 if they come. One former trustee has publicly stated that those overtures have already come, and they came from the Big 12.

On two occasions since all ‘Nole broke loose over the weekend, FSU president Eric Barron has attempted to tap the breaks on the rampant speculation, and has even made a very strong case to boosters and alumni for the athletic programs to remain in the ACC. While it may not matter as much now as it would’ve even a few years ago, Barron’s pro-ACC stance has one big supporter in the form of the man responsible for turning the Seminoles football program into a national powerhouse. (more)

 
It's about to get very serious for Clemson. Those orange folks don't seem to understand they may not even be in the top 6 of the Big 12's wish list. If Clemson gets left out of the Big 4 conferences mentioned in the article, they may be able to focus purely on academics and get that top 20 rating that Barker is pining for.

 

 

Champions Bowl changes college football's big picture

 

By Dennis Dodd | Senior College Football Columnist

 

The implications of Friday's SEC/Big 12 bowl agreement should have been obvious on Jan. 10.

 

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan stood off to the side of the day-after Alabama championship press conference talking to any media outlet with a notebook or microphone.

 

His bowl, Hoolahan crowed, had a $40 million “war chest” as a buy-in for a possible playoff. This was the World Series of Poker with real honest-to-goodness power brokers at the table, not hygienically-challenged card counters.

 

Turns out Hoolahan was prescient.

 

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

 

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

 

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

 

The Champions Bowl (working title) became a traveling road show that will be played at the site of the highest bidder. The Big 12 and SEC champions will play each year unless one or both champs are in the playoff. If that's the case, a second choice from the conference(s) is picked.

 

It's what the deal represents: If you haven't noticed, the top level of college football is now narrowed to the Big Four -- Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. Those 48 schools control most of the influence, power, money and, most important, product in the Football Bowl Subdivision. That shouldn't be a surprise, but the announcement of the Champions Bowl put a face on college athletics' latest study in Darwinism.

 

“Nothing's changed,” one industry source said. “The Big East is diminished and the ACC is not the same as those other top leagues.”

 

Still, 48 schools and two major, big-time bowls. More power in the hands of the powerful. Let your mind wander. Secede from the NCAA? They certainly have the leverage if those 46 want to install their own recruiting rules and play with 150-man rosters? And at one point does a 16-team playoff sponsored by Anheuser-Busch become a reality?

 

It's all on the table now.

 

If you're not in the Big Four, you're not big time. That means you, Miami and Florida State, who suddenly have a huge decision to make. Remain outside the Big Four with the ACC making $17 million per year in a league that can't compete for a national championship, or take your valuable brands and petition for entry into the Big 12.

 

Based on Friday's announcement -- the two biggest football names in the ACC could soon be making $25 million a year in the Big 12.

 

And if that happens, the ACC becomes a whole lot less desirable to a Notre Dame that has to be thinking seriously about joining a conference. Put it this way: ND isn't going to get better access when the four-team playoff debuts in 2014.

 

Why not just cut to the chase? Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Notre Dame to the Big 12. Even the other members of the Big Four (SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12) would have to take notice of that potential earning power.

 

“Now it's going to put more pressure on Notre Dame to look at the Big 12,” said one source involved in the playoff discussions.

 

One unique feature of this new arrangement: The Champions Bowl will be bid out. The Sugar Bowl is the preferred site, but I'm thinking Jerry Jones has a war chest of his own to bring the game to Cowboys Stadium. Atlanta and the Georgia Dome will want in.

 

A quality product creates competition. Neinas said there is the possibility RFPs will be sent out. For those not business savvy, that stands for Requests For Proposals. Usually you see RFPs in the bidding for construction contracts. Now you're going to see the winning bid inherit the spending power of Bama Nation for a week in Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando or New Orleans.

 

That industry source went so far as to call this new arrangement nothing more than a glorified Capital One Bowl (sub in the Big 12 for the Big Ten vs. the SEC). Most years the Champions Bowl is going to be the SEC No. 2 or No. 3 vs. the Big 12 No. 2. If a four-team playoff had been in place during the 14 years of the BCS, the champions of the two leagues would have met only three times (1999, 2001, 2002 based on a seeded, four-teamer).

 

Again, it's what the deal represents. The power continued to shift. Revenue flows up in college athletics. With at least $400 million on the table for a playoff, most of that revenue is going to the Big Four because they've got the best teams that are going to play for the most championships. You might have noticed the SEC seems to have a nice little streak going.

 

That's what makes Friday also so crazy and ironic. A couple of months ago the Big 12 and SEC were mortal enemies. The Strength Everywhere Conference had taken Texas A&M and Missouri from the Big 12. The Large Dozen was more than unstable. Now with a new bowl, a new commissioner and a new membership, the SEC is its new best friend.

 

The most amazing thing was, this was done in the last two weeks and it never leaked,” said Neinas proudly.

 

Well, not until CBSSports.com broke it Friday morning. Still, congratulations are in order. The SEC and Big 12 had been talking conceptually about such an arrangement since 2004 when no one really knew where the BCS was headed. Since the end of that season, the Big 12 and SEC have combined to win every BCS title. Why not a bowl partnership that can be taken around the country and played like it was U2 on tour?

 

Two years ago SEC commissioner Mike Slive mentioned such an arrangement to insiders if the Rose Bowl proved to be too big an impediment to a playoff. The Champions Bowl mimics the Rose Bowl which continues to be the biggest hangup in the playoff discussion. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany is trying like heck to protect the Pac-12-Big Ten matchup as much as possible.

 

Who can blame him? The two conferences are partners in a bowl that, no matter what, rates the highest in the bowl season year after year. Within the context of those playoff discussions, Slive and Neinas just raised the ante.

 

Neinas has done the math. Even if an actual champion doesn't play in the Champions Bowl, it most likely will be replaced by a top 10 team from the SEC or Big 12. Not bad.

 

In terms of tradition, power and revenue, the Champions Bowl is approaching the Rose. The Sugar Bowl has been around for 75 years. The Big 12 traces its roots back 105 years. The SEC is the best conference and has been playing in New Orleans forever. It doesn't have the San Gabriel Mountains, but it now has Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee in the same bowl club.

 

If Delany complains about losing one of his traditional Rose Bowl teams to a playoff, Slive can stare across the table and shoot that argument down.

 

“Jim, we just agreed to do that very thing with the Big 12. On purpose.”

 
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