ECU Defeats Gamecocks, 64-56, at Greenville Winter Invitational

ECU Defeats Gamecocks, 64-56, at Greenville Winter Invitational

MEN'S BASKETBALL. DECEMBER 17, 2022 ECU Defeats Gamecocks, 64-56, at Greenville Winter Invitational Hayden Brown led South Carolina with 15 points in tough shooting day for the team FINAL BOX (PDF / SEASON STATS (PDF) GREENVILLE, S.C. – South...

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[kingofnerf]

Didn't watch or listen to the game, but looking at the box score:

• Non-existent defense on the perimeter in the first half and ECU hit 7 3-pointers.
• We only hit 5/13 inside the perimeter in the first and ECU wasn't much better at 7/13

Bad perimeter defense plus bad shooting in the first half that we never really made up.

A new team in a new system playing a large number of road games hasn't been a good combo for us.

Teams usually improve in December, but we seem to be getting worse.

Hopefully a decent home crowd at the CLA for the final two OOC games gets things back on track, but I don't know.

We get Vandy and the Vols at home and then UK on the road. Lamont needs to get stuff figured out pretty quickly.

 

[FurmanCock]

• We only hit 5/13 inside the perimeter in the first and ECU wasn't much better at 7/13

One of the things I have noticed so far this season is that GG spends a lot of time above the three point line. I know he doesn't yet have a body that can bang consistently with the big guys, but he is actually a really good rebounder -- good ball instincts and a quick jump. If he was a little closer to the basket, it might help his already impressive freshman rebounding stats. Also, at this point in his development, his outside jump shot is not a high percentage play.

Josh Gray continues to be a mystery as to why with his seven foot frame he can't be even a little dominating. Hayden Brown may be our best inside threat, and he is severely undersized at 6'5".

 

[kingofnerf]

Last year's team started out pretty good, but later on Erik Stevenson had to pull rebounds because Gray and Leveque wouldn't.

Then Gray broke his hand trying to slam IIRC.

Maybe that's still in his head.

 

[doublea1971]

One of the things I have noticed so far this season is that GG spends a lot of time above the three point line. I know he doesn't yet have a body that can bang consistently with the big guys, but he is actually a really good rebounder -- good ball instincts and a quick jump. If he was a little closer to the basket, it might help his already impressive freshman rebounding stats. Also, at this point in his development, his outside jump shot is not a high percentage play.

Josh Gray continues to be a mystery as to why with his seven foot frame he can't be even a little dominating. Hayden Brown may be our best inside threat, and he is severely undersized at 6'5".

The Gray thing is a Coach Paris issue… he wants BB-V to be the guy, but Gray is the better player right now. He’s just not getting the floor time or his #’s would be better.

As to the rest of our issues, it’s simple… we have ONE truly talented player (GG), ONE decent PG (Meechie), and ONE player who is defensive-minded (Brown). You can change out the other parts and it all comes out the same in the wash. The “want to” on this team is simply not there, and that’s mostly a by-product of a team cobbled together in year one of a new regime. The freshmen (Hankins-Sanford and Davis) will get much better over time… skills are there, just not developed yet. But some of the others will need to move on and make room for some players who want to play for their scholarship.
I like Wright and Carter… both are serviceable players, but not truly SEC quality guys. Benson, who knows what’s up there. Minott has been buried on the bench this year. So we simply don’t have necessary depth anywhere on this years squad. When you don’t have desire from the limited bench depth we DO have, it makes for a tough year. That’s where we are… a tough year and back to square one with a new coach.

 

[GMB2USC23]

The Gray thing is a Coach Paris issue… he wants BB-V to be the guy, but Gray is the better player right now. He’s just not getting the floor time or his #’s would be better.

As to the rest of our issues, it’s simple… we have ONE truly talented player (GG), ONE decent PG (Meechie), and ONE player who is defensive-minded (Brown). You can change out the other parts and it all comes out the same in the wash. The “want to” on this team is simply not there, and that’s mostly a by-product of a team cobbled together in year one of a new regime. The freshmen (Hankins-Sanford and Davis) will get much better over time… skills are there, just not developed yet. But some of the others will need to move on and make room for some players who want to play for their scholarship.
I like Wright and Carter… both are serviceable players, but not truly SEC quality guys. Benson, who knows what’s up there. Minott has been buried on the bench this year. So we simply don’t have necessary depth anywhere on this years squad. When you don’t have desire from the limited bench depth we DO have, it makes for a tough year. That’s where we are… a tough year and back to square one with a new coach.

Chico Carter is not SEC quality but Meechie is a decent PG, Carter is shooting 50% from behind the arc and 45% from the field while he is our 3rd leading scorer, Johnson shoots 32% from field and 31% from 3... Johnson has taken 11 more threes in 2 less games than Carter... Both of Chico's 3 point % leads the team and his FG % is 2nd to Grey, he is 3rd in ppg, serviceable?

 

[kingofnerf]

We would be 0-fer without GG right now.

 

[doublea1971]

Chico Carter is not SEC quality but Meechie is a decent PG, Carter is shooting 50% from behind the arc and 45% from the field while he is our 3rd leading scorer, Johnson shoots 32% from field and 31% from 3... Johnson has taken 11 more threes in 2 less games than Carter... Both of Chico's 3 point % leads the team and his FG % is 2nd to Grey, he is 3rd in ppg, serviceable?

Yes, serviceable. Did you notice that a guy who is a guard has taken 11 total FTs (making 6)? If that is the kind of aggression you want from an SEC-level PG, then we have very different ideas about what an SEC guard needs to be doing. Lamont Paris has said it himself… this team is not doing enough to get to the basket and score. 50% from 3 is nice, but unless he triples the # of threes per game he takes and makes, we still lose games. Get the fouls and get the FTs. 31 minutes per game in 10 games, and 11 total FTs? I’ve simply got to disagree that Carter is the answer. I’m happy for him killing it from behind the arc, but he’s settling for staying out on the perimeter while we get down by 20 in the first half of MULTIPLE games. Not helping by driving at the basket and getting interior penetration. Not helping distribute the ball to a guy like GG Jackson (Carter has SEVENTEEN assists, compared to 37 for Meechie and 22 for Wright and he’s played in/started in more than both of the other two). So yes… serviceable.

 

[GMB2USC23]

Yes, serviceable. Did you notice that a guy who is a guard has taken 11 total FTs (making 6)? If that is the kind of aggression you want from an SEC-level PG, then we have very different ideas about what an SEC guard needs to be doing. Lamont Paris has said it himself… this team is not doing enough to get to the basket and score. 50% from 3 is nice, but unless he triples the # of threes per game he takes and makes, we still lose games. Get the fouls and get the FTs. 31 minutes per game in 10 games, and 11 total FTs? I’ve simply got to disagree that Carter is the answer. I’m happy for him killing it from behind the arc, but he’s settling for staying out on the perimeter while we get down by 20 in the first half of MULTIPLE games. Not helping by driving at the basket and getting interior penetration. Not helping distribute the ball to a guy like GG Jackson (Carter has SEVENTEEN assists, compared to 37 for Meechie and 22 for Wright and he’s played in/started in more than both of the other two). So yes…

Sorry, he has made one less FT than Meechie and is 3rd on the team in assists...
Carter us a SG, as Wright and Johnson are PG's so they should have more assists and Wright having just 5 more though he played in one more game than Carter but Carter has played 4 more minutes, for comparison Johndon has shot 15, FT's Wright has shot 13 and Carter 11...
No one said Carter is the answer, you ok, you hearing voices?
I simply think the 3rd leading scorer should probably get more shots, Meechie and Wright would have more assists if they drove to set Carter up as would GG and Carter is far more than serviceable, the numbers prove it!
Obviously none of them go to the basket aggressively near enough but the tone is being set by a 17 year old Jackson or Brown who shoots 45% from the field and 26% from 3, not sure Brown shouldn't just do more dirty work and lead by example in the paint and on the defensive end but he is undersized.
I hope Coach Paris finds a formula but getting our bigs more minutes or just in the game for stretches should be a change we see, Minott, Gray and Benson should be getting 5 to minutes a game! On a last years team Minott shot 81% from the field in 8 minutes a games giving us 2ppg and 1.9rpg to go with half a block in 14 games. This team does not throw the ball in the post, 40% of our shots are 3 pointers that we make 32.7% of the time...
But the real breakdown is Gray compared to Verdonk BBV has played 59 more minutes, 195 to 136 or about 8 more minutes a game. BBV get 4.1ppg, Gray 2.8ppg, BBV 4.6rpg, Gray 4.3rpg, BBV 1.7apg, Gray .4apg, BBV .2blk, Gray 1.2blk, BBV 42% and Gray 57%...

 

[GMB2USC23]

It is crazy that Chico shoots 50% from 3 and only 54.5% from the FT line, crazier is that is better than Meechie who is at 46.7% or the same as Josh Gray..

 

[doublea1971]

No one said Carter is the answer, you ok, you hearing voices?
I simply think the 3rd leading scorer should probably get more shots, Meechie and Wright would have more assists if they drove to set Carter up

Voices? I’m not the one who started arguing. I simply defended the point I made in my 1st post that YOU questioned… that Chico and Wright are serviceable, but not SEC quality guys. So if that’s hearing voices, then I guess I’m hearing voices. (Why do you have to make all of your posts in response to mine personal attacks on me by the way?)

Now, as to the next thing you said…the 3rd leading scorer is the 3rd leading scorer BECAUSE he’s not taking enough easy shots near the basket. He’s settling for occasional 3s instead. He could be the LEADING scorer if he tried. And the Meechie/Wright setting Carter up and having more assists is almost laughable given the games I’m watching. It’s hard to have an assist when Carter is camped out on the 3 point line, and it requires a turnover (due to bad pass) to get the ball to him. When he starts moving TO the ball, I’ll get off this horse I’m riding right now. If he creates lanes for passing to him and stays open… He does that, THEN he’s better than serviceable because he’s contributing in ways that help the Gamecocks win. He does that, he’s no longer serviceable… he’s a pretty decent player. At that point, you and I are on the same page. Right now, we’re not. That’s my opinion… I’m sticking to it!

 

[GMB2USC23]

Calm down. You stated that I thought he was the answer, I didn't, nothing personal.
I disagree with the opinion of calling Carter not an SEC grade of player. I backed it up with numbers that I think show that and defended my opinion. No other player on the team besides Jackson and Carter have put us on his back and willed us too a win though Brown has given the effort and led us for a couple.
In all the home games I've been too and the televised away games Carter is not alone camping out at the arc, that is a problem, in fact for a majority of games we have 4 guys around the arc, sometimes 5, against SC State we did this against a zone a few times but I understand what you are saying. I've watched Carter hit a 3 and if I was the PG I would set him up for another and Meechie comes down and just pulls up that is all I'm saying...