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Gamecocks escape Presbyterian 68-57

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Gamecocks escape Presbyterian 68-57

Gamecocks escape Presbyterian 68-57 Dec. 11, 2022 The wins haven’t come easily for the South Carolina men’s basketball team in Lamont Paris’ first season. Before Sunday night’s home matchup against Presbyterian, three of the Gamecocks’ four wins...
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Our bigs got in foul trouble early.

AK and UAB will take it to us on Wednesday if we're not careful.

I went to that game last year at the CLA and it was like an SEC game because UAB was so well-coached.

UAB is 7-2 following an 81-70 loss West Virginia Saturday. Prior to that loss UAB was on a six-game win streak that included a 92-61 beatdown of the same PC team we struggled with.

AK's squad also upset UGA 87-73 on 11-22.

UAB will be at home and will probably hand us a 20-point loss. That's not defeatism. Andy Kennedy is just a more experienced former SEC coach.
 
kingofnerf said:
Our bigs got in foul trouble early.

AK and UAB will take it to us on Wednesday if we're not careful.

I went to that game last year at the CLA and it was like an SEC game because UAB was so well-coached.

UAB is 7-2 following an 81-70 loss West Virginia Saturday. Prior to that loss UAB was on a six-game win streak that included a 92-61 beatdown of the same PC team we struggled with.

AK's squad also upset UGA 87-73 on 11-22.

UAB will be at home and will probably hand us a 20-point loss. That's not defeatism. Andy Kennedy is just a more experienced former SEC coach.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree. AK will have his boys ready for us, and it seems that Lamont Paris is JUST figuring out how he wants to narrow his bench for the season.
 
doublea1971 said:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. AK will have his boys ready for us, and it seems that Lamont Paris is JUST figuring out how he wants to narrow his bench for the season.
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I don't necessarily attribute that to poor coaching, as Coach Paris walked into a situation with mostly new players who had never played together. Zero continuity. A lot of those coaching decision elements can only be realized under actual game situations. This whole year is one giant learning curve as the coaches get to know the players strengths and weaknesses, and the players get to know their teammates and that the coaches schemes.
 
One other side note... I think it's interesting how Ford Cooper has suddenly become a name who is in the mix for time on the floor. Ford has actually shown some good value to the team, even as a walk-on. Can spell several different players on the team when they need it, and though he doesn't have the overall speed, seems to be quite a capable PG/SG. He's averaging 10 minutes a contest so far this season, with 6 appearances. Unfortunately, Ja'von Benson and Tre-Vaughn Minotte seem to have gotten buried on the bench again. Benson's shooting has been his undoing (he is 1 for 4 from the floor this year, and hit 1 of 4 FT attempts, for 3 total points), and Minotte simply has never flashed the potential I've seen from him at times (particularly early in his first season with the Gamecocks, when he was still overweight).

Hankins-Sanford and Davis still have to develop as players, so will be interesting to see their roles moving forward as well.

Coach Paris has a tough year ahead of him, simply because of the mix of players he has. Injuries have already hampered us (with Meechie having unresolved difficulties from his prior injuries and re-aggravation, as well as the loss of Ebrima Dibba), and we seem to have a pretty short bench in certain areas of the floor. There is talent to be showcased, but it's going to be a long climb to the top for the Gamecocks in the SEC this year.
 
FurmanCock said:
I don't necessarily attribute that to poor coaching, as Coach Paris walked into a situation with mostly new players who had never played together. Zero continuity. A lot of those coaching decision elements can only be realized under actual game situations. This whole year is one giant learning curve as the coaches get to know the players strengths and weaknesses, and the players get to know their teammates and that the coaches schemes.
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No, I don't disagree with that at all. I hope I didn't imply such (coaching issues) in my prior comments. It's not a matter of coaching, it's a matter of lots of difficult circumstances and the "learning curve" you describe.
 
FurmanCock said:
I don't necessarily attribute that to poor coaching, as Coach Paris walked into a situation with mostly new players who had never played together. Zero continuity. A lot of those coaching decision elements can only be realized under actual game situations. This whole year is one giant learning curve as the coaches get to know the players strengths and weaknesses, and the players get to know their teammates and that the coaches schemes.
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Awesome, the greatest recruit we've had in modern history will be thrown away on a learning curve season... Continuity, agree and hate he didn't walk into some of that...
 
2017–18Chattanooga10–233–1510th
2018–19Chattanooga12–207–115th
2019–20Chattanooga20–1310–8T–5th
2020–21Chattanooga18–89–74th
2021–22Chattanooga27–814–41stNCAA Division I Round of 64
Chattanooga:87–72 (.547)43–45 (.489)

Lamont didn't do well his first two seasons at UTC. Not sure he can get away with that here now, but I don't know.

Good seasons after that at UTC, though.

Here's Frank's stats for comparison:

2012–13South Carolina14–184–14T–12th
2013–14South Carolina14–205–1313th
2014–15South Carolina17–166–12T–11th
2015–16South Carolina25–911–7T–3rdNIT Second Round
2016–17South Carolina26–1112–6T–3rdNCAA Division I Final Four
2017–18South Carolina17–167–11T–11th
2018–19South Carolina16–1611–7T–4th
2019–20South Carolina18–1310–8T–6th
2020–21South Carolina6–154–1212th
2021–22South Carolina18–139–9T–5th
South Carolina:171–147 (.538)79–99 (.444)

Our chances in league play don't look real good right now, but maybe we get better in December?
 
kingofnerf said:
2017–18Chattanooga10–233–1510th
2018–19Chattanooga12–207–115th
2019–20Chattanooga20–1310–8T–5th
2020–21Chattanooga18–89–74th
2021–22Chattanooga27–814–41stNCAA Division I Round of 64
Chattanooga:87–72 (.547)43–45 (.489)

Lamont didn't do well his first two seasons at UTC. Not sure he can get away with that here now, but I don't know.

Good seasons after that at UTC, though.

Here's Frank's stats for comparison:

2012–13South Carolina14–184–14T–12th
2013–14South Carolina14–205–1313th
2014–15South Carolina17–166–12T–11th
2015–16South Carolina25–911–7T–3rdNIT Second Round
2016–17South Carolina26–1112–6T–3rdNCAA Division I Final Four
2017–18South Carolina17–167–11T–11th
2018–19South Carolina16–1611–7T–4th
2019–20South Carolina18–1310–8T–6th
2020–21South Carolina6–154–1212th
2021–22South Carolina18–139–9T–5th
South Carolina:171–147 (.538)79–99 (.444)

Our chances in league play don't look real good right now, but maybe we get better in December?
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Well, the good news is that we have a STELLAR player in GG Jackson. As long as the health is kind to us and we can keep Meechie on the court, we have a solid PG. IMO, at that point, it's a question of how well Hayden Brown has developed at that point. Brown reminds me of a Michael Carrera-type. Hopefully he has the same kind of season that Carrera had for us back in the day. We simply don't have the "go to" big man this season. I believe that Josh Gray has serviceable numbers in him, but he doesn't seem to have the killer instinct... he's a genuinely nice guy and plays like that most of the time.

I foresee that there are some potential surprise wins along the way, but best-case scenario we are at 8-5 headed into SEC play. I would say best case scenario in conference, we end up 7-11 this year, unless there is an "imposter" in the league who is winning right now but they're not as good as their non-conference play shows. That means strongest finish overall would be about where Frank was in Year 1 (with hopefully a few more conference wins than the 4 in first year).
 
But you compare that with the quicker turnarounds of Oates and Musselman at Bama and Arkansas respectively.

Stuff like this is why I say we need a new AD. Tanner couldn't even say what kind of system Lamont ran when he hired him. LOL

An underperforming coach is going to be left to twist in the wind here until he figures it out on his own, for better or worse.
 
kingofnerf said:
But you compare that with the quicker turnarounds of Oates and Musselman at Bama and Arkansas respectively.

Stuff like this is why I say we need a new AD. Tanner couldn't even say what kind of system Lamont ran when he hired him. LOL

An underperforming coach is going to be left to twist in the wind here until he figures it out on his own, for better or worse.
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BLOW IT UP, Coach Tanner knows nothing about coaching or winning 🙄
 
kingofnerf said:
Our bigs got in foul trouble early.

AK and UAB will take it to us on Wednesday if we're not careful.

I went to that game last year at the CLA and it was like an SEC game because UAB was so well-coached.

UAB is 7-2 following an 81-70 loss West Virginia Saturday. Prior to that loss UAB was on a six-game win streak that included a 92-61 beatdown of the same PC team we struggled with.

AK's squad also upset UGA 87-73 on 11-22.

UAB will be at home and will probably hand us a 20-point loss. That's not defeatism. Andy Kennedy is just a more experienced former SEC coach.
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Josh got his 2nd and 3rd foul with 12 minutes to play in the 2nd half, Verdonk got 2 early fouls and his 3rd foul with 18 minutes to play in the 2nd... neither got a 4th.
Josh played 19 minutes against clemson,, 10reb 3blocks 6pts and did not get double digit minutes again until Geo Wash then 6 against Gtown and 21 tonight with 5, 6, 9, 9 and 6 in the other games and only 1 foul in most games, while we don't play Minot or Benson, I'm just perplexed as we played teams with skinny 6'7 and 6'9 centers in that stretch... Meanwhile Verdonk is averaging almost as many turnovers as rebounds and points while shooting 40% from the field, Josh is at 64.7%. I've watched Josh come in and get a defensive rebound or block and then a dunk on the other end only to be sat down, just don't get it!
 
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