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My LONG thoughts on this hire, and what to do

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Some thoughts on South Carolina's coaching hire.​
First off, I have gobbled up a lot of what has been in the South Carolina newspapers about Shane Beamer.​
Sad to say as a newspaperman, I wonder what for? I listened to his introductory press conference, and everything that was in those stories was basically what was asked and answered at the p.c.​
That's not to say that newspapers and sports reporting aren't needed and important.​
Just that they need to dig deeper. Give us something that we aren't being handed.​
My thoughts on Shane Beamer actually don't rise and fall with his prior time here under Steve Spurrier, though that is important.​
No, I actually spent a lot of time thinking about my favorite University of South Carolina football coach, and about Shane's dad.​
Joe Morrison and Frank Beamer.​
Shane mentioned his longtime love of the South Carolina program, one he started developing when he came to SC with his father, and Virginia Tech was playing the Gamecocks.​
Anything that puts me back into the halcyon days of the Man in Black gets an automatic uptick.​
Every sports reporter covering that press conference was told that South Carolina played Virginia Tech back in the day. No one followed up.​
Shane Beamer mentioned that Frank had sat down with former Athletics Director Mike McGee and had a chat about Beamer becoming the head coach at South Carolina.​
THAT was something that piqued my curiosity and I wish someone would go after that. It had to be during the disastrous coaching debacle that was Brad Scott's tenure at South Carolina.​
If it had worked out, we might have had Frank Beamer as our head coach instead of Lou Holtz. That might have been an upgrade. Might not.​
But no, like I said, I was thinking back to Joe Morrison, actually.​
Beamer was named head coach of Virginia Tech on Dec. 22, 1986, replacing Bill Dooley, who had been forced to resign because of numerous NCAA violations.​
Joe Morrison was in his fourth year at the University of South Carolina.​
He'd gone 5-6, a glorious 10-2 in his second, my first as a student. 5-6. then 3-6-1. 23-20-1 after those four years. A great season and a mixed bag or marbles the rest of the time.​
As a result of the violations uncovered under Dooley's watch, the Hokies were hampered the Hokies, and Beamer went a combined 5–17 in 1987 and 1988. Beamer's record in his first six seasons was 24-40-2, a win percentage of .385.​
South Carolina was playing Virginia Tech in those years.​
In Dooley's final year. USC and VPU tied, 27-27.​
In 1987, South Carolina won 40-10.​
In 1988, another USC win, 26-24.​
In 1989, another tie, 17-17.​
In 1990, another USC win, 35-24,​
And the last time South Carolina player Virginia Tech, we beat the Hokies in 1991, 28-21.​
There are different coaches thrown in on both sides of the rivalry. Overall, We have an 11-7-2 advantage. But we took the lead in the series during the Morrison years based on him going 2-0-1.​
It isn't a brag about the results. Hardly.​
Look at those scores. Two ties, the second coming when Sparky Woods was head coach. A two-point win. A touchdown win. Just one blowout win.​
Both South Carolina and Virginia Tech were football independents back in the day. But they were in the same conference, the old Metro, for basketball and some other sports. We had a bigger stadium, but their fans rocked their stadium, from what I was told by fellow students who visited Blacksburg, Va. They were nestled in the mountains, we were stuck in a heat sink. But the programs were similar. There colors were a some kind of maroon. Might as well have been garnet.​
So we have another football coach bracketing the end of the series. It was Joe Morrison and Sparky Woods, because of Morrison's death. But the truth was, Morrison was under fire and might have been fired. Or he might have bolted for the NFL if the right job had presented itself.​
Morrison died in 1988, with a 39-28-2 at USC and 100 wins to his career coaching total.​
In the years since, we have had six other head coaches, with a mixed bag of results. Some spectacular flops — Woods and Brad Scott have almost identical records, Scott does have the dubious distinction of breaking the supposed "bowl curse."​
We had the legendary Holtz and even more legendary Steve Spurrier.​
In the same time, what did Virginia Tech do?​
The team continued to struggle, and even went 2–8–1 in 1992.​
But Frank Beamer's boss thought he could win and that he deserved more time.​
And the Hokies never had another losing season under Beamer.​
He ended up in the Hall of Fame. More than 200 career wins and a streak of going to 23 straight bowls.​
Outstanding.​
Here's my takeaway. We could have had Beamer at some point.​
But we also could have had a Frank Beamer of our own.​
The Athletics Directors who hired our string of coaches all thought they had found the right person for the program. They all believed in their guy. As a matter of fact, the only time we had consistent success was when we stuck with a guy past the fifth year.​
That would have been Steve Spurrier. The head bowl coach.​
We were 35-28 in his first five years. We never won more than eight, but never sunk below 6-6.​
During our games when we were beating up on Virginia Tech, they gave us a run for our money most years. We had to fight for all the wins and escaped with a couple of ties.​
Putting an exciting product on the field is the thing that can tide you over in the lean years. I have never wanted my Gamecocks to be losers. But I don't mind an L if it's hard fought and an exciting game.​
In his leaner years, we still had some pretty good plays drawn up by the Head Ball Coach. And that made it real easy for fans to stick with it. And it led to our one division title in the SEC, and three successive 11-2 seasons. It led to a streak of five wins over Clemson. Glorious times.​
The Beamer connection to me is two-fold. I remember back to when we were regular opponents with Virginia Tech. And we were competitive football teams. The run-and-shoot offense that was mostly shoot. The Fire Ants and later the Black Death "50" defense of Joe Lee Dunn.​
And what South Carolina didn't have, but Virginia Tech did have, is patience. Patience from the fanbase and patience from the powers-that-be.​
I do not know if Shane Beamer is "the guy."​
Hiring someone who has never been a coordinator is, to me, a bit derivative. Can we also capture the same magic in a bottle that the circus monkey up in the Upstate has somehow become?​
I do not know.​
Here's what we need from Coach Beamer. An exciting product on the field. Win or lose. As long as you are competitive in every game, as long as there is no quit in the players, that will keep the fans satisfied past a "five-year plan."​
Build something.​
I sense Frank Beamer, who has said he will be a presence in the South Carolina program as much as is allowed, standing on an ice fortress, looking down like Jor-El, talking to Shane. His son.​
"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you… my only son.”​
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(Took a lot of the specifics of Frank Beamer's coaching career from Wikipedia. Pulled some records from the 2018 media guide for Gamecock football.​
Some of the math on total records is my own, so it is very suspect.)​
 
Thanks for your comments. 

If SC had patience like VPI, Muschamp would go 2-10 next season & Brad Scott would have been the one going 0-11. If a guy can't show some spark after 4 seasons....the seat gets real hot. 

And what South Carolina didn't have, but Virginia Tech did have, is patience.​
 
I enjoy a good story as much as anybody but I do know we probably need to be somewhat patient with CSB, not 7 years patient, but patient.

 
Hope it works out. Fill right now could be a good fit. 

 
Good history lesson that I also was a witness to. Agree that patience is the key to a solid program for the long run...

 
Thanks for your comments. 

If SC had patience like VPI, Muschamp would go 2-10 next season & Brad Scott would have been the one going 0-11. If a guy can't show some spark after 4 seasons....the seat gets real hot. 
You are missing the second part of the point. 
We weren’t playing exciting football under Muschamp. The past two years especially 

our signature win is attributable to Kirby Smart being a terrible gameday coach. 
 

we had done electric players. Like Deebo and Ryan Edwards.  But the whole team never showed the same kevel if spark that they did. 
i am not faulting the players. They did everything they were asked to do. 
 

 
You are missing the second part of the point. 
We weren’t playing exciting football under Muschamp. The past two years especially 
And VPI was under Frank before he started winning? Not sure you're making the same kind of statement that USC fans heard in the past. There were criticisms of us firing Brad Scott back in the day....that we needed to be more patient.

The next season Lou rolls in and then we realize just how bad it had gotten. We did the right thing

Sometimes patience is earned, sometimes it's not. Frank Beamer is one of those exceptions.  :thumbs-up-hand-gesture-smiley-small:

 
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Patience, I  have been that for 50 plus years, it's time to win look at winning programs and mirror that image, as bad as I hate DABO he has done nothing but win .  It has been over 20 years when we first beat Ohio State, program was moving forward .   Look at it now if this time CAROLINA does not get the  ex players with the monies to support the staff that is needed, they have missed the boat again.  Beamer is an good coach has said the right things now he needs help to hire an excellent staff, not good excellent staff .  

When do we start thinking about winning big time instead of dreaming of going 7-4 or 8-5 or for God's sake 7-5 , Steve had the best years and he quit because of the cheating going on at all the other programs.   

 
And VPI was under Frank before he started winning? 
Did you see the score differential between our games with them?
Those were freaking amazing games to watch. 

OK. Most field goals in a game? 1988. Collin Mackie. Six made. And that was a close USC win, 26-24.
Can't tell me that wasn't an exciting game. Oh yeah. Mackie was 6 for 6. Made 'em all.

1990 vs ,VPU. Mike Dingle had 137 yards rushing, Robert Brooks had 118 yards receiving.

Sterling Sharpe had 146 yards receving vs. VPU in 1986.

Kevin White had 102 yards receiving against VPU in 1987.

Danny Smith had 101 yards that same year. Two 100-yard receivers in the same game.

(There are two other 100 yard receivers vs. VPU, but not from this period.)

Harold Green had 129 yards rushing vs. VPU in 1989.

Todd Ellis had 344 yards vs. VPU in 1987. A letdown from the 396 he had against them in 1986.

I can't find it, but I seem to recall that there was a reverse or end around involving Ryan Bethea which was listed as the longest non-scoring play in USC history against VPU.

VPU was worse during this period. But we had a couple of 3-6-2 and 5-6 seasons sprinkled in there for Joe Morrison. I think we were going to stick with him, not because he had the one good year, but because we were competitive and exciting and showed no quit even when we were losing. Hell, we started a brawl with Miami. Granted, it followed a cheap shot late hit against Ellis. But we weren't afraid of anybody.

 
There were criticisms of us firing Brad Scott back in the day....that we needed to be more patient.
Well, not from me. And I would say, again, it is a two-pronged test.
They earn the patience by producing exciting, competitive football, even if that doesn't mean wins.
We thought Brad Scott was going to bring us excitement. But really, the only excitement we had during his years was when Steve Taneyhill was QB, and if you told me it was Taneyhill drawing up his own plays and improvising, I would totally believe that.
The thing here is, Muschamp-ball was never, ever exciting, except when a team was stupid enough to kick to Deebo.

 
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