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A Quick Defense of Frank Martin

doubledribble said:
He thought he had that here with Hyman, but Tanner has undermined that.
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I see, so by your definition discipline = undermining.

I guess I undermined my son last night then. 
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ShepCock said:
And by the way, I GET what Martin is TRYING to do. Some of what he does is to bond the team. When he singles out a player like that, the other players rally to pick up that player. It inspires team play and unity. His on court demeanor is balanced with an off court mentoring. He is a winner, so I'm sure he will win here. I heard an interview with him about his frustration one day and he was talking about he and the players studying the upcoming opponent and the players "tendencies". Defensively, he was talking about how they work on making the opposition uncomfortable with what they are normally very comfortable doing.

 
Shortly after that interview was the Vandy game. Their guard, number 11, shook Notice and drove to his left for the easy lay in. Martin jumped off his chair with that crazed stare and yelled at Notice, "he goes left!, he goes LEFT!!" That guy consistently did not even try to go to his right. He went that way when forced but never shot or drove moving to his right. I am sure that when Frank discusses this in film study and explains how to defend a player in practice and how to make him uncomfortable and then his player allows his man to do what's comfortable and move in the direction that he's strong, its frustrating. I'm sure he made a point. Notice defended that guy very well from that point on.
 
Martin has repeatedly said that talent isn't his concern. His issue is that he tells the guys to do one thing and they repeatedly do something else. Now, unless you're going to assert that they're mentally deficient, that is something worth yelling at them over. All he has ever asked of his team is to play hard and do what they're told. The message, apparently, hasn't gotten through.
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So you use an example of Notice getting the point only to say the point is not getting through? I don't get it.

 
ShepCock said:
"Did you even read what I posted above?  Apparently not, because this question was answered already."

Yes, I read your incoherent drivel and I disagree with 100% of whatever point you're trying to make. As usual, you try to be on both sides of every issue. Grow a set.
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ShepCock said:
I see, so by your definition discipline = undermining.

I guess I undermined my son last night then. 
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That doesn't even make sense. Your son isn't a grown man, that you are prohibiting from running his business, which he has vastly more experience than you running. It's not discipline, it's giving in to a couple boosters instead of sticking by the guy you hired in. It's undermining our coaches ability to do his job. Furthermore I don't know what your son being disciplined has to do with anything. I could care less about that. I'm talking about BASKETBALL.

 
doubledribble said:
This wouldn't even be discussed if the men's basketball team were winning.
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I bet it would.  This was on national TV during primetime and it went viral on the Internet.

In other words, the absolute worst case scenario imaginable to bring some level of disrepute to Gamecock basketball.  Something had to be done.

None of the champion coaches mentioned in this thread would have lost their cool to the point where they would have done this.  NONE.

If you have Youtube links to the contrary, now's the time.

 
ShepCock said:
I bet it would.  This was on national TV during primetime and it went viral on the Internet.

In other words, the absolute worst case scenario imaginable to bring some level of disrepute to Gamecock basketball.  Something had to be done.

None of the champion coaches mentioned in this thread would have lost their cool to the point where they would have done this.  NONE.

If you have Youtube links to the contrary, now's the time.
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Jim Boeheim says hello

 
doubledribble said:
Your son isn't a grown man.
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And at times Frank Martin doesn't act like one either. Hence, the discipline being necessary.

Coach shouldn't have a problem with it if he practices what he preaches.  BUT....if he dishes it out but can't take it, I fear a bad result.

Even Martin's wife has constantly talked to him about his use of profanity, but to no avail.

Some men just have to learn the hard way.  I know I've been in that boat.

 
ShepCock said:
That was unnecessary, but I see you've run out of material.  What I think is out there for all to see. Not my fault the two of you won't take the time to get it.
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Really? Talk about unnecessary.

Hey guys I discipline my kid so I know how to discipline a grown man also!

 
Hey guys I discipline my kid so I know how to discipline a grown man also!
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It's not about me, it's about what happened.  What coach did, and how the AD had to respond.

 
ShepCock said:
It's your point, you google it and post it here.
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Dude if you're too lazy to do some research about the people you claim don't do the same thing, I can't help you. I've researched it. You haven't even scratched the surface of it.

 
ShepCock said:
Discipline is great.  Publicly belittling players with profanity is not.

Make more sense now?
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No because you took my I don't get it completely out of context. The point I made was that you used an example of yelling working then said it wasn't working.

 
ShepCock said:
Discipline. Coach Martin loves to give it, but can he take it when his boss applies it to him?
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I'm sure Martin could take discipline if it were necessary. It's not though and this has now jeopardized his career. I'm sure you'd love it if your career were jeopardized when there are plenty of examples around of others doing the same thing and not being reprimanded.

 
doubledribble said:
Dude if you're too lazy to do some research about the people you claim don't do the same thing, I can't help you. I've researched it. You haven't even scratched the surface of it.
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If you've researched it, by all means share with the rest of us.

If you can't post the link, then I guess you can't prove your point.

I mean if your point is so obvious, it should take like one minute to post it, right?

 
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