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Putin/Russia calls up 160,000 conscripts

Blitzkrieg said:
So why would Putin go through this charade just to tell Trump to go pound sand? He could have done that without leaving Moscow.
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He did it just to make Trump look weak and mission accomplished.

He only stayed an hour and could had just as easily done it over the phone like you said. I voted for Trump all 3 times, but Putin and Zelensky are their respective nations' leaders in a real war and Trump is just a salesman in a sense. They both can spot BS when they see it.

You could tell by Trump's body language he's truly frustrated with both of them and doesn't really know what to do next, either. There would be nothing wrong in walking away from both sides in the short term and just let them duke it out. Put it on the Euro countries and see what happens.
 
kingofnerf said:
He did it just to make Trump look weak and mission accomplished.

He only stayed an hour and could had just as easily done it over the phone like you said. I voted for Trump all 3 times, but Putin and Zelensky are their respective nations' leaders in a real war and Trump is just a salesman in a sense. They both can spot BS when they see it.

You could tell by Trump's body language he's truly frustrated with both of them and doesn't really know what to do next, either. There would be nothing wrong in walking away from both sides in the short term and just let them duke it out. Put it on the Euro countries and see what happens.
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kingofnerf said:
He did it just to make Trump look weak and mission accomplished.

He only stayed an hour and could had just as easily done it over the phone like you said. I voted for Trump all 3 times, but Putin and Zelensky are their respective nations' leaders in a real war and Trump is just a salesman in a sense. They both can spot BS when they see it.

You could tell by Trump's body language he's truly frustrated with both of them and doesn't really know what to do next, either. There would be nothing wrong in walking away from both sides in the short term and just let them duke it out. Put it on the Euro countries and see what happens.
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I'm pretty sure he was there longer than an hour and I don't see where Putin made him look weak. I appreciate him at least trying to broker peace. If this doesn't work I completely agree with you though. Back away and let them go at it.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
I'm pretty sure he was there longer than an hour and I don't see where Putin made him look weak. I appreciate him at least trying to broker peace. If this doesn't work I completely agree with you though. Back away and let them go at it.
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I think both will regret the photo op because it looks like both are sleeping with the enemy. Love him or hate him, Putin is a legit world leader while Trump is still just a TV show in many ways.

Both massive egos were on display in Anchorage, though. I think Trump has already given into NATO-like security guarantees for Ukraine after the meeting with Putin. Withdrawal from Ukraine is only way to peace. Some Euro countries have already committed to peace-keeping security forces on the ground in Ukraine in the event of a ceasefire. Realistically I think that will eventually happen before a legitimate cease-fire.
 
www.wionews.com

US armored vehicle flying Russian, American flags attacks Ukrainian positions before Trump-Zelensky meet | WATCH

The footage shows an M113 armoured personnel carrier, manufactured by the US and captured by the Russian military, flying both Russian and American flags as it moves through a village in Zaporizhzhia in eastern Ukraine.
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Russian arrogance.
 
Is that M113 one of the "arms" we gave to Ukraine? At least that would be my assumption.

Just did a quick google, apparently part of 200 that we sent Ukraine in 2024.
 
JimG said:
Russian sh_t. None of it makes sense to us.
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Right.

www.independent.co.uk

Russia launches largest aerial strike on Ukraine in a month after Trump peace talks

Moscow launched more than 280 drones and missiles at central Ukraine in its latest attack
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It's really not our war and Trump doesn't want to pay for it, but you don't launch massive strikes after just meeting with a head of state who is trying to help you, either.

Putin is going to Putin until somebody kills him and no country, including ours, has the stones to kill him right now.

I remember reading where JFK, our popular warrior-king POTUS, looked like he had seen a ghost after his first meeting with Nikita Krushchev at the start of the Cold War. That's exactly the way Trump looked after his meeting with Putin in Alaska. What a mess.
 
Lot's of emotion in some of what I see posted here and I get it, but none of us know what was said behind closed doors and what may be in the works. At the end of the day, Ukraine lost this war and in history the loser never gets everything they want, just a matter of fact. I don't think Ukraine will get all of their territory back because they lost, but if they truly want this thing to end they will find a way to negotiate. I also think bringing in the European leaders we let them know they need to step up as this is on their backsteps and they need to be involved in keeping the peace moving forward. I don't understand a lot of our media narratives out there right now as they all parrot the same verbage. It feels like many would prefer this conflict continue and grow.
 
Longhaul said:
Lot's of emotion in some of what I see posted here and I get it, but none of us know what was said behind closed doors and what may be in the works. At the end of the day, Ukraine lost this war and in history the loser never gets everything they want, just a matter of fact. I don't think Ukraine will get all of their territory back because they lost, but if they truly want this thing to end they will find a way to negotiate. I also think bringing in the European leaders we let them know they need to step up as this is on their backsteps and they need to be involved in keeping the peace moving forward. I don't understand a lot of our media narratives out there right now as they all parrot the same verbage. It feels like many would prefer this conflict continue and grow.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I do think Putin will try to advance further into Ukraine no matter what agreement is reached, if any. I think Trump has realized a while ago since returning to office that he has placed too much faith in Putin agreeing with him on ending the war in Ukraine. If Trump thinks Putin is backing him into a corner, I believe he will eventually support allowing Ukraine into NATO; they are almost there anyway. Whether it's NATO or a coalition of the willing, I think that's where things are heading. Trump is very good at the roundtable meetings, but he seemed like whatever Putin said to him in Anchorage is still bothering him. Getting the NATO countries to spend more of their GDP on defense is a big win for Trump. Having the Euro countries take primary ownership of the Ukraine war would be his next big one.
 
www.bbc.com

US in talks over 10% Intel stake, White House confirms

The potential deal could involve swapping government grants for shares in the chip making giant.
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The government taking a stake in Intel makes sense, given the company's key role in producing semiconductors in the US, said Vincent Fernando from investment consultancy Zero One.

Washington needs critical industries like chip manufacturing and defence to not have to rely on foreign suppliers, he said.
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The developments came as the US chip industry is under intense scrutiny by the White House.

Last week, Nvidia and AMD agreed to pay the US government 15% of their Chinese revenues as part of an unprecedented deal to secure export licences to China.
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Trump is actively trying to bring vital industries back to this country. It's going to take some organizations and industries out of their comfort zones, but it's the right thing to do. I think he will eventually find the handle on the Ukraine war, too.
 
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