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Putin/Russia calls up 160,000 conscripts

US Special Envoy Gen. Keith Kellogg: “Russia is losing this war. If Putin were winning, he'd be in Kyiv, west of the Dnipro, in Odesa, and the government would be gone.” He added, “This isn’t the Russia or Soviet Union I knew during the Cold War. Putin talks big, even about nukes, but the West has nukes too. Trump asked me in the Oval Office if Russia is winning. I said no.I told him to ask his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dan Keane. He said no as well.”
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Spur's Addiction said:
Neither side is winning loosing. It’s been a stalemate for 2+ years.
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It really defies the "stalemate" label with each side hammering the other with daily drone strikes.
I don't know what we should call it, but no one is winning & both sides are taking a beating.
 
Being that the battle is over land I would say Ukraine is still losing. I get it that Russia has not overwhelmed them like many thought they would, but Ukraine has not been able to get their land back so…. Yes the costs in lives on Russia‘s side is huge, but they don’t really care about that. We look from a casualty standpoint and say they are losing, but this is not how the define it. Early on many said this would be over quick that Ukraine would expel them. I don’t see a way to end this without Ukraine giving up something and in Russia’s eyes that will be a win. As long as Ukraine pays us for the weapons moving forward I say keep sending them. I was just not a fan of us footing the bill for all of this like we were as we are pretty much broke as a nation.
 
FurmanCock said:
While both sides are taking a beating on casulties, Ukraine is taking, almost exclusively, the geographic beating.
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Sure about that?
Russian channels are sounding the alarm over Ukraine’s intensified drone campaign targeting oil and gas infrastructure. With 15 recorded strikes by September 20, already surpassing August’s total, refineries, fuel depots, and pumping stations across Russia are under sustained attack. Reports note growing fuel shortages and disruption of exports via the Black and Baltic Seas.
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https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1969357298020606258
 
JimG said:
"Losing" can mean a lot of things. So if Russia "won", how would you define the victory? What exactly would they have won?
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I would say at this point for Russia to win a complete defeat and occupation of Ukraine would have to occur.

A victory for Ukraine would be for Russia to stop the fighting even if it meant keeping the approximate 20% of Ukraine they currently occupy.

I also believe the quickest way for Ukraine to win is to continue to attack and destroy Russia's oil industry since Putin doesn't really care about Russian casualties.
 
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