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College football has effectively gone professional and is now less stable than the NFL. In the NFL you have players under contract so there is some continuity and predictability as to who will be on your team from year to year. College football is now so unstable that an entire college team can leave for greener pastures with no notice.

I see side effects like teams who cannot safely field a team for bowl games due to the number of defections after the regular season and some bowls will get canceled.. There will be some schools with wealthy alumni who can simply buy a team. How long will college athletics survive if alumni who have loyalty to a school disparity of supporting professional athletes who don’t have loyalty to a school? Couple of changes to adjust to the new reality and to save college football. they need to start treating players as the pro’s that they now are.

Similar to professional baseball a luxury tax on NIL deals for teams with NIL money over a certain amount should be considered. If the school exceeds that amount, they lose scholarships. If a college offers and a player accepts a multi-year scholarship instead of a one-year scholarship and the player then leaves early (other than to the NFL draft) that is a breach of contract and the player has to either repay the school for the tuition he would have paid absent the scholarship or otherwise be barred from playing for a year. NFL players cannot simply leave for another team if they are under contract. Needs to be accountability like any professional player.
 
The NCAA president’s first order of business has to be to reinstate the one-year sit down after transfer. Call it a non-competition clause for these non-amateur athletes. And yes I say this recognizing it could cost us future players like Rattlers and Stogners and Wellses
 
FeatheredCock said:
College football has effectively gone professional and is now less stable than the NFL. In the NFL you have players under contract so there is some continuity and predictability as to who will be on your team from year to year. College football is now so unstable that an entire college team can leave for greener pastures with no notice.

I see side effects like teams who cannot safely field a team for bowl games due to the number of defections after the regular season and some bowls will get canceled.. There will be some schools with wealthy alumni who can simply buy a team. How long will college athletics survive if alumni who have loyalty to a school disparity of supporting professional athletes who don’t have loyalty to a school? Couple of changes to adjust to the new reality and to save college football. they need to start treating players as the pro’s that they now are.

Similar to professional baseball a luxury tax on NIL deals for teams with NIL money over a certain amount should be considered. If the school exceeds that amount, they lose scholarships. If a college offers and a player accepts a multi-year scholarship instead of a one-year scholarship and the player then leaves early (other than to the NFL draft) that is a breach of contract and the player has to either repay the school for the tuition he would have paid absent the scholarship or otherwise be barred from playing for a year. NFL players cannot simply leave for another team if they are under contract. Needs to be accountability like any professional player.
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The NIL contract is not with the school and is done player to player by whom ever pays to use the image and likeness, a team does not have a pool of money to pay players so putting any burden on the school that has no control is simply a knee jerk reaction that hurts everyone but the big boys... The school can simply "assist" and it is buyer beware lol the kids have all the power and you can't stuff the cat back in the box now!

 
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Does the university of South Carolina benefit from three different NIL options or would one big NIL group be more effective?
 
GregoryHouse said:
Does the university of South Carolina benefit from three different NIL options or would one big NIL group be more effective?
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The players have 3 options not the University, the University benefits from having partners looking to use thier athletes image and likeness. Having a collective group can be great but also create dissension and give power to folks within a program that may not be favorable like a coaches son playing in high school or the large boosters kid starting at QB... It is a doubl edge sword IMO, kind of like calling for the OC to be fired mid-season, great to have passionate fans but when things turned around you can't put the cat back in the bag! The NIL must be a third party and be contracted directly with the player...
) An institution of higher learning may not use or allow boosters to directly or indirectly create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.
 
Honestly, everyone needs to stop pretending that the college football has anything to do with college anymore. It just needs to be split off from college and become some sort of a semi-pro feeder league to the NFL. Becasue that is essentailly what it is.
 
there is only one way that schools can gain any leverage...and that is to ditch players who don't play to their potential or are injured...the loyalty must be a two way street and if players are going to shop around every year then schools should start doing the same
 
The NCAA is still there to enforce parity for the most part.

Schools will never be allowed to pay athletes directly because some schools could pay a lot more than others, which would not be parity in the eyes of the NCAA.

The stipend doesn't screw up parity because it is the same for everyone.

An athlete still has to be in harmony with the image that a business wants to project, too.

NIL is not the same thing as "under the table" stuff from boosters, either.

For the most part, NIL doesn't seem automatic for most athletes. You still have to be good enough on the field of play to earn the money.

There's always going to be two sides to the "what have you done for me lately" part of NIL. An athlete will still have to do something to earn the visibility needed for spokesperson/endorsement dollars.

Anything else is just selfish entitlement that won't last for long. You still have to play on a team and not let personal selfishness keep the team from winning.

Most coaches will avoid the selfish NIL headcases in the portal.

Character and discipline are still the basic ingredients for success no matter what you do for a living.

NIL didn't ruin the Olympics and I doubt it will ruin college athletics, either, because you still have to "earn it".
 
GregoryHouse said:
Does the university of South Carolina benefit from three different NIL options or would one big NIL group be more effective?
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One of them is on hold That is Park Ave. due to the NCAA rules change concerning the NIL. Yes, right about image likeness but players are getting Cars and money in other ways. It's a mess and the NCAA is just too weak and should just go away. These schools are going to have to address these issues. Like most fans, it is about playing football and enjoying your favorite team player for 3 or 4 years. But this is where we are and hopefully, somebody can get a handle on this new page of college sports. Need guardrails that have the power needed college football has some bite that all can follow. NCCA is outdated for the times here. Time to change and needs to start there.
 
I think if it gets to the point where athletes are made employees, they should probably be made contract employees with staffing/talent agencies and boosters working everything out.

State budgets are expected to be fairly predictable and I am sure this NIL stuff is making a lot of people in leadership positions uncomfortable.

Does a university punish it's educational staff salary-wise to take care of transient workers that leave from year-to-year?

The other end of this is eligibility. Do you fire a paid employee just because they have graduated? Would we be forced to retain 35-year-old TEs who couldn't find a jobs in the NFL?

There is no limit to the absurdity at this point.
 
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Everybody's different and I think you need to give players a choice however things end up. Most parents and student-athletes want a degree.

We are big on the student-athlete stuff, but have not won a lot. Other schools are also big on the student-athlete stuff, but also win a lot more than us.

Have a Student-Athlete track for some and an NFL track for others whether they make it to NFL or not.

I suppose the Entertainment and Sport Management route is for those in the middle.
 
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I think if it gets to the point where athletes are made employees, they should probably be made contract employees with staffing/talent agencies and boosters working everything out.

State budgets are expected to be fairly predictable and I am sure this NIL stuff is making a lot of people in leadership positions uncomfortable.

Does a university punish it's educational staff salary-wise to take care of transient workers that leave from year-to-year?

The other end of this is eligibility. Do you fire a paid employee just because they have graduated? Would we be forced to retain 35-year-old TEs who couldn't find a jobs in the NFL?

There is no limit to the absurdity at this point.
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I think the employment angle is where this ends up. NIL funds will want a ROI, and there will be stipulations and or buy out’s involved with leaving early.
 
I'm not sure letting professionals play in the Olympics didn't leave a sour taste and ruin it for many, as great as The Dream Team was I preferred watching college kids compete for the love of the game and country.
I think the NIL will make it easier to keep athletes close to home, if you are a hometown hero your NIL will be more valuable near home I would think, see Joyner.
Paid National prep stars are a new animal and with social media the media department can "assist" in branding... I think this is the leverage and way to separate from the pack. Creating professionals that may not play in the NFL but build a brand for themselves to be an entrepreneur upon graduation no matter your star power should be the goal, this is the world we live in. Also finding and cultivating the players that just love to play, athletes and coaching them up as we have seen in the FR this year.
Not getting caught up in stars, the flashy name, recruit and collecting the fringe stars that want to be here, that have dreamed of turning it around in Willy B and making stars out of them, see DQ Smith or Emmanwori.
 
Players with a buyout clause would be very interesting. I’m all for players having more power to transfer, and getting their tiny piece of the huge pie in NIL, but this doesn’t look like the best way to do it. No way tampering or whatever it’s called isn’t happening constantly and widespread. Either directly with the players or indirectly through their families.

Also, December and most bowl games have become even more meaningless. Maybe not reflective this year but in the coming years people will be much more hesitant to invest in the travel expenses. Maybe sponsors and advertisers start spending less a well. The only way to fix it now is probably to blow it up completely.
 
gamecock88 said:
Players with a buyout clause would be very interesting. I’m all for players having more power to transfer, and getting their tiny piece of the huge pie in NIL, but this doesn’t look like the best way to do it. No way tampering or whatever it’s called isn’t happening constantly and widespread. Either directly with the players or indirectly through their families.

Also, December and most bowl games have become even more meaningless. Maybe not reflective this year but in the coming years people will be much more hesitant to invest in the travel expenses. Maybe sponsors and advertisers start spending less a well. The only way to fix it now is probably to blow it up completely.
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The expansion of the playoff will continue to offset that and the bowls like the NIT will always have a place as fans want to see the college team play, administrators and coaches want the practice, payout, exposure, players without/with NIL want the exposure imo

The machine will keep rolling as way too much money is tied up in it and it finances a large portion of intercollegiate athletics for major universities due to conference ties and TV contracts unless things have changed drastically...

The NCAA made 1.5 Billion dollars last year largely off of football, they are not going anywhere either imo... 1.5 can buy a bunch of politicians, I mean lobbyists... and I think we see the government step in but what does that look like? Could be closer to what FeatheredCock mentions in the first post.

Could be tax them if they transfer, tax them if they leave early, create a new NIL tax to pay for a regulating body to enforce laws with real consequences 🤔 holding kids, parents, coaches, administrators and boosters liable with prison time/fines. The importance of compliance and NIL branding assistance will be the way forward.

Since the school is not involved the petty recruiting and postseason violations that condemn an entire team/school will no longer exist, they would just be hiring new personnel.
 
Coach Beamer has a real problem on his hands with the way the NIL deals are being handled internally. He has to engage more behind the scenes with the big 20-30 consistent donors when it matters the most. He’s taking a passive approaching when going toe-toe with other coaches. As the “GM”, he’s made some calls not to overpay a few former players which we could collectively agree on- would not have been worth it. Lloyd, Bell, Edmond would have been a combined 1.3 million, which is absurd. Not to mention, a Juco OL heading to the plains asking for a 300k bag is borderline insane. However, there’s going to be times when Beamer has to get involved with donors and simply secure the bag. Is Habor one of those decisions? I thought so but not sure the under armour money could be matched (Tanner’s seat should be melting on the way he has handled this). Nonetheless, there are some big names in the portal that no one is mentioning that the staff feels good about bringing to Columbia
 
These modern day mercenaries will eventually kill the game of college football.
 
Don't forget the NIL.

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