Because Muschamp was so successful, Martin is the most successful mens basketball coach by far since McGuire and he won more NCAA games in one year than our programs history combined but yeah smells like mediocre muschamp....
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And Frank has squandered the Final Four run. He has a losing record since then. So, yes, he started off well and went downhill. Just like Muschamp.
He's had one losing season since his 3rd year at USC, that was this year? The year he battled Covid not once but twice...WOW! LMAO Martin started off losing, turned it around in 2 seasons and went to the Final Four in year 5 and he is 153-133 as our coach so you are incorrect on every level!
Since the Final Four appearance, Carolina has gone 57-59, which is a losing record, just like I said.
Due to a season that the coach in question had Covid not once but twice, a year that the team was able to practice at best 65% of the time together they usually would and less than that with the head coach present but I told you this already and yet you bring it up again as if it is a valid point in showing how Martin is like Muschamp...WOW
Look, Martin is by far the most respected basketball coach we have had since Odom or Fogler, he is putting players in the NBA and consistently wins with a proven track record of success in the tourney. If we release him it will put our program back to the Horn days when idiots thought it was a good idea to fire Odom and hire the young gun...BRILLIANT!!
And I’ve shown you the record, yet you continue to tout what a great coach Martin is. Muschamp looked good on paper, and he did well at the beginning, a cramped out. It’s the exact same thing. I don’t care what he DID, what is he doing? He’s lost it. He was a good coach, but he isn’t anymore. If you like him, good for you, I hope you enjoy next year, when we will probably suck again. If we don’t, great! I don’t care what hardships he had to deal with. Every team in the country had to deal with protocols and such. Adapt and overcome. I would be thrilled to be wrong, but I’m pretty sure a year from now, we will be dealing with another failure of a season. His own players don’t have enough faith in him to stick around. He’s the coach, and I’ll be hoping he wins, just like I did with Muschamp, but I learned my lesson with him. When a coach is making excuses and blaming players, he’s the problem.
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Only Felton and McGuire have better win %'s of coaches with more than 1 season and Martin owns half our tourney wins....
What other coach had Covid twice and was successful, not every team had a coach catch Covid so not every team delt with the same protocols. I have never heard a Frank Martin coaches kid say one negative thing about the man, not have I heard Martin blame his kids. I have heard him hold them accountable, I've heard him try to motivate them through the press but I have heard him on many occasions that it starts and ends with the head coach! His system is proven and his success in coaching kids is undeniable, his success in holding kids accountable is undeniable, his teams consistently get better as the season progresses and play their best ball at the end of the year!
Next years team could have a bunch of hungry athletes competing in a healthy competition for playing time with a good mix of youth and experience if Coussinard and Bryant return like I believe at least one will with high Hope's both come back with Lawson for a shot at greatness
I realize no season in any sport is guaranteed, but I don’t see it happening. I would be very happy to be wrong, and I would be thrilled to see the Gamecocks make the tournament next year. I sincerely hope you are right. However, I continually thought Muschamp would figure it out and turn it around, and we all know how that worked out. Perhaps I’m just jaded, but time will tell.
That's a push. He's been to the tourney one out of eight years he was eligible to do so. And all the comparisons to our past coaches tells me is that they were even worse. I hope Frank wins next year, I really do. But I don't think the odds are good.
He has only coached at South Carolina
I think he is going to have a loaded roster with a few swiss army knife inside out players that will make it his best defensive team as a head coach.
What he did 10+ years ago for another team has nothing to do with the argument for or against why he should still be our coach.He has only coached at South Carolina
I think he is going to have a loaded roster with a few swiss army knife inside out players that will make it his best defensive team as a head coach.
Not making any rules. Just pointing out that "bbbbut Kansas State" is a laughable way to promote someone getting an extension, If you have to dig that far back maybe you should rethink your position.Yeah, you make the rules on what facts are relevant in this argument Karen, sorry
"Hey, Boss, I'd like a raise. I had a really great sales quarter - four years ago."
"You want a raise because you had a good quarter four years ago?"
"Hell yes. And don't forget that great quarter I had 10 years ago!"
"You didn't even work here then."
"So?"
Except for this year, right, when they were 1 for their last 10? Last year they were 5-5 in their last 10 games. The year before that they were 5-5. Year before that they won 4 of their last 13. Year before that they were 4-6. Year before that, 5-5. When does this mythical "consistently play better at the end" thing start again? OK, back to it - year before that, 5-5. Year before that, yup, you guess it, 5-5. I'll stop there.
In sum: Color me unconvinced by your "argument."
Your pal,
Karen
So he was asking for a raise?
No one said but Kansas St, simply stating he had proven success in the tourney and without a doubt more proven than any coach we have had or have the possibility to hire, change my mind
I guess I would say that it is wasting time to convince anyone of anything when they are sure that a guy who has been to the tourney once in his last eight attempts, has a losing record here, a losing conference record here, and just finished the season with 2 SEC wins is "the best coach we have the possibility to hire." Either that or we should just #$%^can men's BB and take up water polo, because if that's the best we could possibly do, we are setting a new high bar for mediocrity.
doublea1971
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Frank's getting his basketball camps into gear.
Dave Odom's record was far superior to Frank Martin in terms of NCAA prior to coming USC
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And It isn't even close...Dave Odom also had a better career at South Carolina...more twenty win seasons and far more post season tournament appearences...including back to back NIT titles...all in fewer years...and he has a better overall winning percentage. Dave Odom is in something like 5 or 6 different sports/coaching Hall of Fames...including the NC sports HOF and the Wake Forest HOF. Nothing about Frank Martin comes close to Odom's career.