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Corona virus, the non-asshole thread
- Thread starter TheYancey
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I have no problem with that at all....in fact I find it somewhat criminal if you lie about this to people
While cases continue to decline in the south, the midwest, rockies and the NE appear to be ramping up. Sounds like the Delta variant is hitting those areas harder now, after having burned through the south this summer / fall.
This has been predicted for a while. Now that people in those areas are spending more time indoors the spread is picking up. Pretty much what we saw here during the hottest months where people spent more time indoors in air conditioning. The surge has not happened in open air event like football games. I guess the best way to avoid it is just to stay outdoors. Maybe everyone needs to take up camping. I find it odd that we have reached a high level of vaccination, but still have the spread surging. Hopefully the vaccine will do what we think it is doing and keep most out of the hospital. I am beginning to think that those with underlying conditions are at risk no matter what vaccine they may have. I now of two people I personally know, fully vacced that died. One battling cancer another with diabetes.
The virus is a social animal that doesn't disappear in the warm months as many others do.
I expect we'll see spikes from November through January as people do their holiday shopping and family visits. Also office holiday parties.
I must admit Covid is currently influencing my decision whether to buy basketball season tickets or not. The prices are great, but I don't feel comfortable going to crowded indoor events yet.
I expect we'll see spikes from November through January as people do their holiday shopping and family visits. Also office holiday parties.
I must admit Covid is currently influencing my decision whether to buy basketball season tickets or not. The prices are great, but I don't feel comfortable going to crowded indoor events yet.
The country as a whole is only at about 60% vax rates. Not really that great. Some areas are way higher, and some are way lower (like around 30%), That is not even close to stopping the spread. Especially with Delta being way more contagious. We should be in the 80-90% range to really drive down cases. With vaccines available to 5 yrs and up now, I expect our rates will go up. But to maybe around 70%. But that sill leave a lot of people unprotected, at least until the Delta wave burns out.
Homebrewcock
GCF Top Poster
Cases are going up here in Colorado. And we have been outdoors - as a state because it has been quite warm here (80 last Saturday). I think people are around each other more lately and we do have tourists here.
Per CDC we are at 67.7% with 79% of the population older than 12 fully vaccinated. 98.5% above 65 so we are at the levels we thought would start to take care of this. So to me the largest segment of the population that needs the vaccine that are in the higher risk category is at 79%. I know the young kids can spread it, but I just question if we get to the number you are proposing 80-90% of the entire population will really do anything. Not trying to be argumentative, I truly question some of numbers being put out there. Kids are not at risk of death in the larger scheme of things and if I had really young kids under 10 or so I would really think long and hard about the possible long term effects vs the very low risk to them now. If we have the largest part of the at risk population vaccinated then we should not need to worry so much about Covid as the vaccine should keep us out of the hospital from what they are saying at this point and we have almost 80% older than the age of 12 fully vaxxed. I don't think it will ever fully go away and it is something that we will deal with seasonally moving forward much like the flu.
I could certainly see tourism impacting numbers. We've had stadiums full of 70-80 thousand people for months now and no real spikes so I am not sure what makes the numbers go the way they do. Everything I have read and understand seems to point to indoor activities and time spent indoors really driving up the numbers, hence the numbers in the north starting to move in an upward trend, but you make a very good point about tourism and people possibly coming in from areas that have higher rates. I know we have a lot of tourist in Charleston in late September and October and our numbers have so far stayed pretty level.
I am not trying to be argumentative either.
It is true that kids generally do not have severe symptoms, but they get it and spread it. If more adults were vaxxed, there would be less pressure to have kids vaxxed.
I am hoping that these anti-viral pills that are coming out will drive down the hospitalization and death rate amount the people that do get Covid. Getting a few pills to pop at home while you recover is way better then going to the hospital.
I do agree that it will never go away 100%, and will become much like the seasonal flu. People will have some immunity , either through vaccine or exposure. New variants will emerge that can break through some of the immunity. Folks will need annual covid shots just like the flu, or suffer through it (with better treatment options). Some will continue to die from it.
Homebrewcock
GCF Top Poster
I looked online and found some info on CO. I know the delta variant is more contagious, so I think that is part of the issue.
"Colorado has the fifth-highest 7-day, per-capita coronavirus case count in the United States, and state forecasters say it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Yet the state’s vaccination rate ranks among the top one-third in the country, with about 72% of the state’s eligible population now fully vaccinated.
Even as the root of this contradiction remains a mystery, the source of the infection spike now gripping this state is clear. Those who are unvaccinated comprise about 80% of infections. At UCHealth hospitals, that ratio holds: 78% of those hospitalized and 91% of those in ICUs are unvaccinated. The ones hospitalized despite being vaccinated are often immunocompromised or significantly older.
The Delta variant is so contagious that the vaccinated, even if they don’t get as sick as they otherwise would, can catch and potentially spread it. That’s resulted in about one in 51 people in Colorado being infectious – nearly as high as the infection rate during the pandemic’s early, unvaccinated days of 2020. Masks in crowded indoor spaces and booster shots for those who are eligible, should be high priorities, health officials say.
At a Nov. 2 press conference, Gov. Jared Polis painted a stark picture of Colorado’s reality now:
The wife and I got our booster yesterday.
"Colorado has the fifth-highest 7-day, per-capita coronavirus case count in the United States, and state forecasters say it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Yet the state’s vaccination rate ranks among the top one-third in the country, with about 72% of the state’s eligible population now fully vaccinated.
Even as the root of this contradiction remains a mystery, the source of the infection spike now gripping this state is clear. Those who are unvaccinated comprise about 80% of infections. At UCHealth hospitals, that ratio holds: 78% of those hospitalized and 91% of those in ICUs are unvaccinated. The ones hospitalized despite being vaccinated are often immunocompromised or significantly older.
The Delta variant is so contagious that the vaccinated, even if they don’t get as sick as they otherwise would, can catch and potentially spread it. That’s resulted in about one in 51 people in Colorado being infectious – nearly as high as the infection rate during the pandemic’s early, unvaccinated days of 2020. Masks in crowded indoor spaces and booster shots for those who are eligible, should be high priorities, health officials say.
At a Nov. 2 press conference, Gov. Jared Polis painted a stark picture of Colorado’s reality now:
- Among those ages 70 and above – a highly vaccinated cohort – two-thirds of Colorado coronavirus deaths are coming from perhaps 7% of the population.
- No one vaccinated and under 40 has died of COVID-19 in Colorado since July; more than 30 unvaccinated younger people in that cohort have died, Polis said.
- Among those ages 40 to 60, about a dozen who were vaccinated have died since July; among the unvaccinated, 153 have died. Polis’s frustration with the unvaccinated was hard to miss."
The wife and I got our booster yesterday.
I hope you can stay safe Yancey. Truly feel badly for people in your position that are doing everything they can to avoid this thing.
Fascinating study points to breakthrough cases and how they trigger huge 'learned response" to the virus to make those cases less serious: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/covid-outbreak-in-party-town-shows-how-the-pandemic-could-end/
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/covid-cases-in-children-spiking-sharply-pediatricians-say/
Spike in kids cases now ongoing. Be extra careful with your tiny people, folks, not that you aren't already.
Spike in kids cases now ongoing. Be extra careful with your tiny people, folks, not that you aren't already.