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Corona virus, the non-asshole thread

Spur's Addiction said:
I have lost my patience with the unvaxxed. My son (unvaxxed because he is 10) is now at risk by going back to school next week. When we sign him up for school,  we have to provide proof that he has been vaxxed for all kinds of traditional diseases. I realize this one is just emergency authorized, but the concept of requiring vaccines is not new, nor somehow a freedom issue. 

And don't get me started on anti-maskers. If all these anti-vax fools were vaccinated, we wouldn't be needing to mask up again. 
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I get your frustration, but the reason you are so pro-vaccine is from fear of the virus and what we know it can do.  Many of the people that are not getting the vaccine are also choosing so because of fear of not knowing the long-term effect of taking this path.  Fears are driving both behaviors in many of these cases so I don't harbor ill feelings toward those that are hesitant to get the vaccine.  All you see on the news are the people that are totally against it, you don't see the largest demographic are not out being vocal about it, but are just scared to get it.  If you look at the segment that has the highest case of non-vaccinated it is not the people the media is choosing to focus on.  

 
Longhaul said:
I get your frustration, but the reason you are so pro-vaccine is from fear of the virus and what we know it can do.  Many of the people that are not getting the vaccine are also choosing so because of fear of not knowing the long-term effect of taking this path.  Fears are driving both behaviors in many of these cases so I don't harbor ill feelings toward those that are hesitant to get the vaccine.  All you see on the news are the people that are totally against it, you don't see the largest demographic are not out being vocal about it, but are just scared to get it.  If you look at the segment that has the highest case of non-vaccinated it is not the people the media is choosing to focus on.  
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Very interesting post, and this response is NOT A FLAME or an effort to bait you into an argument, I promise! A lot of what I am doing at work this days is communication efforts around getting folks vaccinated - and it would be helpful to me to know why the folks in that demographic you mention are afraid of the vaccine, and who that demographic is, in a broad sense. Do you think you expand on that a little, because I am very interested.

 
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Swayin said:
Very interesting post, and this response is NOT A FLAME or an effort to bait you into an argument, I promise! A lot of what I am doing at work this days is communication efforts around getting folks vaccinated - and it would be helpful to me to know why the folks in that demographic you mention are afraid of the vaccine, and who that demographic is, in a broad sense. Do you think you expand on that a little, because I am very interested.
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I don't consider it flaming at all Swayin.  You are always very diplomatic in your post and I hope I am in return. There just seems to be a lot of anger aimed at the unvaccinated in our country and I think at times the reasoning for some of the unvaccinated gets lost in the Media machine seeing an opportunity to jump on the political aspects of it so they can up their ratings and keep people stirred up and watching.  I have heard different reasons for the fear, but talking to several people I know who are not vocal and not getting vaccinated it is not any kind of freedom stance it is true fear of the vaccine and mistrust.  This link may lend some insight into who is getting vaccinated and who is not.  Recently the African American population has increased their rate of vaccination, but they were the largest segment not getting vaccinated.  https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ I work with many African American people and almost all of them are not and do not want to get vaccinated.  They are not the ones the media focuses all of their attention on as they are not out in public saying they will not take the vaccine, they just quietly go about their lives.  I don't think the people the media focuses represent any kind of majority, but that is what sells so they keep rolling with it.   

 
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Longhaul said:
I don't consider it flaming at all Swayin.  You are always very diplomatic in your post and I hope I am in return. There just seems to be a lot of anger aimed at the unvaccinated in our country and I think at times the reasoning for some of the unvaccinated gets lost in the Media machine seeing an opportunity to jump on the political aspects of it so they can up their ratings and keep people stirred up and watching.  I have heard different reasons for the fear, but talking to several people I know who are not vocal and not getting vaccinated it is not any kind of freedom stance it is true fear of the vaccine and mistrust.  This link may lend some insight into who is getting vaccinated and who is not.  Recently the African American population has increased their rate of vaccination, but they were the largest segment not getting vaccinated.  https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ I work with many African American people and almost all of them are not and do not want to get vaccinated.  They are not the ones the media focuses all of their attention on as they are not out in public saying they will not take the vaccine, they just quietly go about their lives.  I don't think the people the media focuses represent any kind of majority, but that is what sells so they keep rolling with it.   
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I appreciate your insight and for responding. FWIW, I've seen quite a bit of media coverage about minorities and vaccine hesitancy but I for sure understand where you are coming from.

 
The media's job is to inform the public. This is especially true during a pandemic when one person's actions has the capability of harming so many others. They and the scientists and  have gone some things wrong bit it's because we're in a ever changing situation. I'm grateful for the media for their efforts.

 
Bought tickets the other night for the Labor Day (yes, the Labor Day race is back) Southern 500 race on the weekend of September 5th.  Me, my sister and BIL are going.  They were fully vaxxed long before I was in April.

NASCAR requires that all guests wear a face mask while indoors and in enclosed areas at all times, regardless of vaccination status.  Temperature checks will not be required.

The hotel we will be staying at does not require masks for the vaxxed, but we will be wearing them in the hallways and indoor common areas anyway.  We will use our judgement and probably avoid crowded restaurants.  We may avoid the track museum, but it depends on how many people are inside.

The Cup and Truck series play-offs begin with the Labor Day weekend races.  Seating will be at full capacity.  We will probably go to the beach next year and drive up for the race like people used to do before the Labor Day race was taken away.

Everyone else can do what they want, but we are going to have fun and be safe at the same time.  Since I won't be driving, I am anticipating enjoying a favorite beverage or two.

Looking forward to it.

 
Swayin said:
Booster news:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/us-health-officials-call-for-booster-shots-against-covid-19/
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he plan, as outlined by the chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other top health authorities, calls for an extra dose eight months after people get their second shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. The doses could begin the week of Sept. 20.

“Our plan is to protect the American people, to stay ahead of this virus,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said as the agency cited a raft of studies suggesting that the vaccines are losing ground while the highly contagious variant spreads.

People who received the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine will also probably need extra shots, health officials said. But they said they are waiting for more data.
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I believe the J & J vaccine may prove problematic over time.

I also would prefer to remain with the same manufacturer for the booster shot.

Realistically, I will assume it would be next March or April before I could get the booster shot if the same age group approval progression is followed.

Gonna be safe and use my judgement doing normal things until then.

 
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Longhaul said:
I don't consider it flaming at all Swayin.  You are always very diplomatic in your post and I hope I am in return. There just seems to be a lot of anger aimed at the unvaccinated in our country and I think at times the reasoning for some of the unvaccinated gets lost in the Media machine seeing an opportunity to jump on the political aspects of it so they can up their ratings and keep people stirred up and watching.  I have heard different reasons for the fear, but talking to several people I know who are not vocal and not getting vaccinated it is not any kind of freedom stance it is true fear of the vaccine and mistrust.  This link may lend some insight into who is getting vaccinated and who is not.  Recently the African American population has increased their rate of vaccination, but they were the largest segment not getting vaccinated.  https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ I work with many African American people and almost all of them are not and do not want to get vaccinated.  They are not the ones the media focuses all of their attention on as they are not out in public saying they will not take the vaccine, they just quietly go about their lives.  I don't think the people the media focuses represent any kind of majority, but that is what sells so they keep rolling with it.   
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Personally I would have more sympathy for the unvaccainated stance if they were not so dang outspoke about being anti-mask...you don't want to be vaccinated? Fine but wear a damn mask (not saying that this is your opinion but just that of the anti-vaxx/anti-mask crowd)

 
I know somebody who had a mild stroke about two months after he got the Moderna shots and had to get treated for blood clots in his lungs.  He, quite honestly, found a better doctor who successfully treated the clots with a blood thinner and he's easing back into a normal life again.

It's hard to see the dividing line between co-existing medical conditions and the virus and stories look his will travel through the local grapevine pretty quickly.

In my friend's case, he told me during his recovery that he felt like the shots may have caused the stroke, but he also felt like he had no other choice.

He also plans to get the booster when the time comes.

He's much older than me and a smoker and a drinker sometimes.  In hindsight, Covid (along with his other health issues) probably would have killed him and the vaccine may have indirectly saved his life.

I can understand why the decision to be vaccinated is a tough call for some people, though.  Schools have always been germ factories and I think those are the biggest challenges right now.

 
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kingofnerf said:
I know somebody who had a mild stroke about two months after he got the Moderna shots and had to get treated for blood clots in his lungs.  He, quite honestly, found a better doctor who successfully treated the clots with a blood thinner and he's easing back into a normal life again.

It's hard to see the dividing line between co-existing medical conditions and the virus and stories look his will travel through the local grapevine pretty quickly.

In my friend's case, he told me during his recovery that he felt like the shots may have caused the stroke, but he also felt like he had no other choice.

He also plans to get the booster when the time comes.

He's much older than me and a smoker and a drinker sometimes.  In hindsight, Covid (along with his other health issues) probably would have killed him and the vaccine may have indirectly saved his life.

I can understand why the decision to be vaccinated is a tough call for some people, though.  Schools have always been germ factories and I think those are the biggest challenges right now.
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Interesting...as someone who has experienced both a DVT and PE, I wasn't even aware of the connection\risk when I got my two Moderna shots.  I'm not sure I would have had the skill sets to evaluate a risk/reward potential to my health, and I'm glad I got them, BUT I'm disappointed that the discussion on the topic has been discouraged enough  that I wasn't even aware of some of the risks when making my decision.

 
Mask mandate for K-12 and public higher ed reinstituted here in Washington, which I agree with. Delta is causing a doubling of breakthrough cases in my county - but still keeping even those infected much less sick, thankfully.

 
kingofnerf said:
I know somebody who had a mild stroke about two months after he got the Moderna shots and had to get treated for blood clots in his lungs.  He, quite honestly, found a better doctor who successfully treated the clots with a blood thinner and he's easing back into a normal life again.

It's hard to see the dividing line between co-existing medical conditions and the virus and stories look his will travel through the local grapevine pretty quickly.

In my friend's case, he told me during his recovery that he felt like the shots may have caused the stroke, but he also felt like he had no other choice.

He also plans to get the booster when the time comes.

He's much older than me and a smoker and a drinker sometimes.  In hindsight, Covid (along with his other health issues) probably would have killed him and the vaccine may have indirectly saved his life.

I can understand why the decision to be vaccinated is a tough call for some people, though.  Schools have always been germ factories and I think those are the biggest challenges right now.
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I would bet that if the vaccine caused the clots that it did indeed save his life since the worse cases tend to get microthrombosis as part of the inflammatory cascade...that being said I have not seen research with that large of a time between vaccination and thrombosis to confirm a definitive link...glad he is on the mend

 
FurmanCock said:
Interesting...as someone who has experienced both a DVT and PE, I wasn't even aware of the connection\risk when I got my two Moderna shots.  I'm not sure I would have had the skill sets to evaluate a risk/reward potential to my health, and I'm glad I got them, BUT I'm disappointed that the discussion on the topic has been discouraged enough  that I wasn't even aware of some of the risks when making my decision.
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I think the vaccines in some cases are exposing gaps in other medical areas with some people.

My friend went to his doctor complaining of low energy and loss of grip in his left hand.  They ran some tests on him and told him he was fine.  He went to another doctor who diagnosed a stroke as soon as he saw the CAT scan that he had run on him.

I know somebody else who got flagged for a low pulse when he got his last Moderna shot and kept in the ER for a few hours to be safe.  The cardiologist he went to shortly after discovered an irregular heartbeat and started treatment, but he is above 65 years old and we think his regular doctor failed to notice it before he received the vaccine.

It makes you wonder if doctors are looking the other way on some things because they know it will be near impossible to admit someone for anything other than Covid?

 
STS said:
I would bet that if the vaccine caused the clots that it did indeed save his life since the worse cases tend to get microthrombosis as part of the inflammatory cascade...that being said I have not seen research with that large of a time between vaccination and thrombosis to confirm a definitive link...glad he is on the mend
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You're the tip of the sword in this battle.  Thank you for your service.

The data that we actually can see is pretty sobering.


August 17, 2021


Following an analysis that revealed more than 90 percent of COVID-19 cases and deaths in June and 86 percent of hospitalizations were among individuals who were not fully vaccinated, DHEC has determined similar rates from July 1-31. That analysis shows:

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https://scdhec.gov/covid19/covid-19-vaccine/cases-hospitalizations-deaths-among-not-fully-vaccinated

The basic data is pretty self-explanatory.  Intentionally avoiding the second shot or not getting any shot at all can be pretty deadly.

 
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