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Corona virus, the non-asshole thread

A friend's SIL has been in and out of ICU for months (maybe up to 6 months). Several near death episodes....and almost certainly he was not vaxxed. I would imagine the bills are close to $1 mil at this point. 

The guy likely will never be the same if he recovers and still can't eat food. 

Much of this is the cost of misinformation....including many we've already lost.  :(
Yep - Mostly because the read some anti-vax BS on FB or some other corner of the interweb.

 
Speaking of huge hospital bills...when does the transparency in costs legislation go into effect for hospitals?  Is that the first of the year?  I'm really hoping this has an impact on healthcare costs -- or at least is a first step, in that pricing awareness is needed.
This is great in concept but is a huge burden on hospitals. It will drive up costs for health care organizations, and won’t do anything to help the patient other than more outrage about how expensive it is.

 
This is great in concept but is a huge burden on hospitals. It will drive up costs for health care organizations, and won’t do anything to help the patient other than more outrage about how expensive it is.
Help me understand the burden part.  They already know costs, they just have to disclose pricing -- which is something every other business in the country does.

I understand generally when regulations are involved that usually means paperwork, but don't understand the specific impacts to the healthcare industry.  And even if it is more work, it seems this is work they should already have been doing.

 
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In my previous role, I worked on a first roll out of this. The problem was the hospital was only providing estimates to uninsured patients and did not have system capability to craft an estimate based on actual insurance benefits. Add that patients going into a hospital enter via multiple points, ER, direct admit, radiology, etc…so where do you stop the patient to give an estimate? For scheduled procedure more often than not the scheduler was not equipped to give an estimate only to take demographics and put them into a slot. It requires more man power, more technology investment, against reimbursement rates on the decline. 
 

For surgeries it varies greatly because it’s hard to estimate anesthesia and complications, it’s just not easy to provide a reliable estimate that patients will trust. 
 

 
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Help me understand the burden part.  They already know costs, they just have to disclose pricing -- which is something every other business in the country does.

I understand generally when regulations are involved that usually means paperwork, but don't understand the specific impacts to the healthcare industry.  And even if it is more work, it seems this is work they should already have been doing.
It’s not to disclose price. It’s to disclose patient liability for out of pocket costs. If it was just to show gross charges that is easy and was mandated a year ago to provide a charge file on every hospitals website but it’s super inflated to what actual cost and insuance benefits.  
 

and these files are super confusing because no one understands what a DRG is. 

 
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It’s not to disclose price. It’s to disclose patient liability for out of pocket costs. If it was just to show gross charges that is easy and was mandated a year ago to provide a charge file on every hospitals website but it’s super inflated to what actual cost and insuance benefits.  
 

and these files are super confusing because no one understands what a DRG is. 
un- super inflate the costs. Just the fact that non-insured rates are vastly more then insurance negotiated rates (even before any insurance payment) is just ridiculous.

 
un- super inflate the costs. Just the fact that non-insured rates are vastly more then insurance negotiated rates (even before any insurance payment) is just ridiculous.
why is that ridiculous?  Do you shop at sam's or costco?  

insurance rates is all about the generation of volume which allows the insurance companies to negotiate lower costs

 
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why is that ridiculous?  Do you shop at sam's or costco?  

insurance rates is all about the generation of volume which allows the insurance companies to negotiate lower costs
It is very consumer unfriendly. Should be same cost for a procedure for everyone. Then if you have insurance it will knock it down based on your coverage.  I know why it's done. But one of the many issues with medical billing / insurance that is infuriating.

Hey I have a question for you. I am getting a crown done next week. My dentist has quoted some type of 'extended warranty' if you will (don't remember the exact term they used). It's like $160 bucks extra and will cover any kind of issues I have with this crown for like 5 years. Is that worth it or just a ploy to get extra cash out of people? Typically when I buy stuff like electronics or whatever I always decline the extended warranty. But this is the first time this has come up from the dentist for me. 

 
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It is very consumer unfriendly. Should be same cost for a procedure for everyone. Then if you have insurance it will knock it down based on your coverage.  I know why it's done. But one of the many issues with medical billing / insurance that is infuriating.

Hey I have a question for you. I am getting a crown done next week. My dentist has quoted some type of 'extended warranty' if you will (don't remember the exact term they used). It's like $160 bucks extra and will cover any kind of issues I have with this crown for like 5 years. Is that worth it or just a ploy to get extra cash out of people? Typically when I buy stuff like electronics or whatever I always decline the extended warranty. But this is the first time this has come up from the dentist for me. 
to be honest I have never heard of that in terms of a crown...let me ask my general dentist friends b/c that seems fishy to me...I would ask them how often they have problems with crowns within the 5 years as it seems that it should last at least that long (if not far longer) if it is done properly...I will get back to you

As for the health costs I think that what they charge the uninsured is exactly what they would normally charge and then they negotiate down from there.  The only way to not see this is to either eliminate insurance all together or make everyone carry some level of insurance.  I understand your point but I don't think that people who choose not to carry insurance should expect to pay the same as those (like you and me) who pay monthly premiums to get lower rates (which is what insurance essentially does)

 
to be honest I have never heard of that in terms of a crown...let me ask my general dentist friends b/c that seems fishy to me...I would ask them how often they have problems with crowns within the 5 years as it seems that it should last at least that long (if not far longer) if it is done properly...I will get back to you
Yeah - I am thinking along the same lines. If a crown lasts less the 5 years, I am thinking they are a crappy dentist. But I have never had one done before. 

 
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Yeah - I am thinking along the same lines. If a crown lasts less the 5 years, I am thinking they are a crappy dentist. But I have never had one done before. 
I have now heard back from 4 of the 5 I wrote and none of them have heard on this type of thing....it is almost like this:



 
I have had a few crowns and 1 is way older than 5 years.  Never had a problem and my dentist said they would adjust fix any issues with it.  Not covered would be if I broke the crown eating something. 

 
9 minutes ago, STS said:

I have now heard back from 4 of the 5 I wrote and none of them have heard on this type of thing....it is almost like this:

Sounds like I need to decline this warranty

 
It’s not to disclose price. It’s to disclose patient liability for out of pocket costs. If it was just to show gross charges that is easy and was mandated a year ago to provide a charge file on every hospitals website but it’s super inflated to what actual cost and insuance benefits.  
 

and these files are super confusing because no one understands what a DRG is. 
Yeah, but the whole system is broken.  Take what is happening with insulin.  Pricing is easily inflated because of 3 primary manufacturers and volume is controlled through large Pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) and the byzantine rebate structures negotiated -- which actually means that the higher the price, the larger the discount, the more profit returned to PBMs, and manufacturers are incentivized to raise pricing to generate huge rebates to remain on the PBM's formularies --> all of which drives a sub-$5/vial cost to a list price of $400.  Depending on which side of the table you are on, it's a legalized kick-back scheme, at worse it's legalized extortion -- in either case, it's needless deaths for the uninsured who don't have access to rebated pricing.

The sad part is I am pro for-profit healthcare, but we've somehow managed to eff it up badly.  Hopefully, price/out of pocket transparency is a first step in trying to solve this Gordian knot.

Really good article: https://fortune.com/longform/insulin-cost-diabetes-treatment/

 
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Yeah, but the whole system is broken.  Take what is happening with insulin.  Pricing is easily inflated because of 3 primary manufacturers and volume is controlled through large Pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) and the byzantine rebate structures negotiated -- which actually means that the higher the price, the larger the discount, the more profit returned to PBMs, and manufacturers are incentivized to raise pricing to generate huge rebates to remain on the PBM's formularies --> all of which drives a sub-$5/vial cost to a list price of $400.  Depending on which side of the table you are on, it's a legalized kick-back scheme, at worse it's legalized extortion -- in either case, it's needless deaths for the uninsured who don't have access to rebated pricing.

The sad part is I am pro for-profit healthcare, but we've somehow managed to eff it up badly.  Hopefully, price/out of pocket transparency is a first step in trying to solve this Gordian knot.

Really good article: https://fortune.com/longform/insulin-cost-diabetes-treatment/
It’s because the system is broken that this is such a difficult thing for hospitals. It shouldn’t be hard but it is. This transparency law is not going to fix it. Hospitals have issues but so do the insurers and both are to blame.

 
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So from reports I read today, people that were fully vaccinated and got a break through infection have 'super immunity'. I finally have super powers. 

iu


 
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Yeah - I am thinking along the same lines. If a crown lasts less the 5 years, I am thinking they are a crappy dentist. But I have never had one done before. 
I have some that are 30+ yrs old. They last forever unless you have a cavity that requires removal. 

 
While the COVID-19 pandemic continues to muddle supply chains and raise demands for routine medical items, the latest nationwide drug shortage facing healthcare providers involves the intravenous formulation of potassium chloride.

 
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