Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

[AikenGameFan]

There is obviously concern on the defense. I do not see Champ on the hot seat until next season but I do feel T-Rob might be on the seat. He is D coord. and backs coach.

I feel we need a new D coord and a new coach for the backs the way the D looked in game 1 and 3. And Champ being a D coach, he should see this. As some have said, our backs don't line up right and show exactly what they are doing. A coach should fix that fast. If the backs coach isn't doing right the D coord. should make it right. Hard to do when they are 2 in one. Champ's choice. He needs to get on it..

We have great talent. Not just our new QB. Not just our WR's and RB's. We got talent on D, They need to be coached. If they are, we could compete for the East again. Next year we should have no problem winning it but first we have to fix that D.

He don't deserve a raise yet. I just hope he makes some changes. I really expected more but the staff is letting me down.

 

[CocksRGood]

Lorenzo Ward recruited and coached Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Swearinger,Gilmore.....bring him back

 

[Sporkgod50]

A head coach is no better than who he hires as assistants and how he delegates....instead of jumping on Muschamp, do we need to look at some of the coordinator positions and look for upgrades?

He made those hiring decisions right? I don't see how making bad decisions would mitigate someone's responsibility for their consequences

 

[Longhaul]

Lorenzo Ward recruited and coached Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Swearinger,Gilmore.....bring him back

I do hope that was you being funny 

 

[Pitchcock]

The other point to consider is this: Is our team better, top to bottom, than when he took over?

I would answer yes to that, even if we still have a ways to go. Talent and depth are much better, and there are signs that it will continue to spike.

No raise - I think that Ray might have gotten carried away with the initial success and given up too much already. 

I agree, top to bottom we’re better than when he took over. 

People underestimate exactly how depleted our roster was after Spurrier quit. At QB we had an overachieving walkon, an overhyped baseball player who’s now quit football, and an overhyped “savior” who supposedly was so good that Spurrier promised to stay through his eligibility. He wound up transferring to two smaller programs before quitting. We were so low on quality depth we had our 260 lb TE trying to return punts....because we didn’t have anyone else. We had one quality DT. One quality LB. One quality WR (when he could stay healthy). That’s about it.

His first class was a wash, it was almost full when he too over. He’s had to “sell ice to Eskimos” to convince top guys that we can win here. The talent is coming, we have a lot of young guys getting PT. A lot of the older guys wouldn’t get PT at most of our opponents.

Muschamp has had to be almost perfect rebuilding this roster, we couldn’t afford any misses. He missed on some guys, plus we’ve lost several guys to career ending injuries. 

Could be much worse. UCLA won the Chip Kelly sweepstakes, they’re not only losing, they can’t get fans to come even when they give away free tickets. Taggert makes more than Muschamp, and Chief Osceola is debating throwing the flaming spear at him instead of the ground. UT lost to the Fight’n Shawn Elliott’s from Georgia State.

Its a big rebuild, give him time.

 

[JimG]

People underestimate exactly how depleted our roster was after Spurrier quit.

Who cares about how "depleted" our roster was 4 years ago? 

Unless Muschamp finds a way to fix his defense, he's staring down the barrel of 5 straight SEC losses. 

You don't get paid $4.2 mil/yr to go 1-6. 

And now he's #3 on the coaches hot seat. That's an ominous sign to anyone not biased. 

 http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

 

[Gamecocks1137]

I don't really understand the hate for the Defense. Passing defense wise, yes they need to improve A LOT. But when you hold a team like Alabama to under 100 yards rushing, and their QB has the feet to run, you are doing something right. They have 5 star after 5 star of talent in the RB position and still couldn't make the yardage. I think the problem with our defense isn't a defense as a whole, it is the passing defense. Someone needs to coach up these CBs and Safteys, and btw I think it is time we get rid of the Spur position on the field. That was something Steve Spurrier came up with and I think its complete nonsense at this point. Throw in a LB, or a real saftey, stop playing hybrids on defense, it doesn't work. At least it hasn't worked for us in nearly 7 years. 

 

[Cockypantherfan]

There is obviously concern on the defense. I do not see Champ on the hot seat until next season but I do feel T-Rob might be on the seat. He is D coord. and backs coach.

I feel we need a new D coord and a new coach for the backs the way the D looked in game 1 and 3. And Champ being a D coach, he should see this. As some have said, our backs don't line up right and show exactly what they are doing. A coach should fix that fast. If the backs coach isn't doing right the D coord. should make it right. Hard to do when they are 2 in one. Champ's choice. He needs to get on it..

We have great talent. Not just our new QB. Not just our WR's and RB's. We got talent on D, They need to be coached. If they are, we could compete for the East again. Next year we should have no problem winning it but first we have to fix that D.

He don't deserve a raise yet. I just hope he makes some changes. I really expected more but the staff is letting me down.

I agree that a shake up at D coordinator could be helpful but I'm not so sure Champ would let T-Rob go.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

I don't really understand the hate for the Defense. Passing defense wise, yes they need to improve A LOT. But when you hold a team like Alabama to under 100 yards rushing, and their QB has the feet to run, you are doing something right. They have 5 star after 5 star of talent in the RB position and still couldn't make the yardage. I think the problem with our defense isn't a defense as a whole, it is the passing defense. Someone needs to coach up these CBs and Safteys, and btw I think it is time we get rid of the Spur position on the field. That was something Steve Spurrier came up with and I think its complete nonsense at this point. Throw in a LB, or a real saftey, stop playing hybrids on defense, it doesn't work. At least it hasn't worked for us in nearly 7 years. 

We haven't had a spur since Muschamp arrived as it isn't part of his defensive scheme.  He has a buck in his system which is a hybrid DE/LB.

One of the things our team does really poorly is set the edge on defense and also we lack pass rushers. I'm kind of shocked our deficiencies on defense are what they are with a defensive minded coach like Boom.

 

[Oburg59]

I think Coach Muschamp has tried to make this program a successful football team. The effort has been there, but the results have been disappointing.

He has recruited some good talent, but the play on the field (mostly the defensive side ) does not reflect what was expected from a coach who was at one time known as one of the best defensive coordinators in the country. Really don't know where to point the finger as to why we can't have just an average defense. If it can't be fixed, then some  changes need to be made. I like Coach Muschamp, and I'm really pulling for him to fix this defense. Go Gamecocks!

 

[Pitchcock]

Unless Muschamp finds a way to fix his defense, he's staring down the barrel of 5 straight SEC losses.

Anyone who analytically looks at our issues should care about how depleted our roster was 4 years ago. 

Our roster was depleted because Junior sucked as a RC, and Sr could’ve cared less about recruiting.

That leads to the next step....recruiting players and developing relationships starts typically in a players Freshman or Sophomore year, sometimes earlier with a special player.

Our program didn’t have those relationships in place when Sr quit. And worse, the staff had burned bridges with instate and out of state teams. So their recruiting failures had put us three to four years behind when Champ took over.

Champ literally had to start at the bottom, you may or may not remember one of the first things he did was establish contact with every instate team, then send at least one coach to every instate high school trying to repair the damage. He then had to do the same thing with some out of state programs.

With the exception of a few guys, the 2016 class wasn’t his, it was largely from the previous staff. I remember him asking the previous staff to stop taking commits towards the end, they were taking some shaky guys.

Hes really only had three classes, and a lot of players in those three classes were “reaches” because we hadn’t developed relationships yet.

I think he’s going to get it done.

 

[ShepCock]

spurrier had the kind of wins that give you hope by this point in his tenure.

This is incorrect. Spurrier didn't even start to get it right until his 5th season (2009) when we broke through and beat Clemson.

Oh, and one of the coordinators will be fired this year.  You can count on it.

 

[Sporkgod50]

This is incorrect. Spurrier didn't even start to get it right until his 5th season (2009) when we broke through and beat Clemson.

Oh, and one of the coordinators will be fired this year.  You can count on it.

Actually he beat two ranked teams in 2005. #23 tennessee on the road and #12 florida at home. Came close against clemson and UGA losing by 4 and 2 points respectively. I don't usually like to be dogmatic, but you are definitively wrong. 

 

[ShepCock]

Actually he beat two ranked teams in 2005. #23 tennessee on the road and #12 florida at home. Came close against clemson and UGA losing by 4 and 2 points respectively. I don't usually like to be dogmatic, but you are definitively wrong. 

Spurrier had an absolute epic collapse in 2007 that had fans chirping about him being too old and "encouraged to retire".  I remember that.  Apparently you don't.

I got hope when Lattimore arrived here in 2010, and not before that really. I know a lot of Gamecock fans that feel the same way.

 

[Sporkgod50]

Spurrier had an absolute epic collapse in 2007 that had fans chirping about him being too old and "encouraged to retire".  I remember that.  Apparently you don't.

I got hope when Lattimore arrived here in 2010, and not before that really. I know a lot of Gamecock fans that feel the same way.

I remember, but I'm not sure what that has to do with me saying that at this point in his tenure, Champ has fewer high profile wins that SOS had or you saying SOS didn't.

 

[JimG]

Anyone who analytically looks at our issues should care about how depleted our roster was 4 years ago. 

No dude....only you. You're the one who's obsessed with dragging Spurrier and Jr through the mud over and over. You did this repeatedly at CT and now it's happening here. 

If Muschamp gets fired sometime in the next 2 seasons, you'll be the first to blame "Spurrier's roster depletion". 

In the meantime, Mack Brown with his "depleted" UNC roster, beat Muschamp's "most talented team". 

 

[JimG]

Spurrier had an absolute epic collapse in 2007 that had fans chirping about him being too old and "encouraged to retire".  I remember that.  Apparently you don't.

I got hope when Lattimore arrived here in 2010, and not before that really. I know a lot of Gamecock fans that feel the same way.

HBC's '05 & '06 seasons had some memorable moments that gave the fan base lots of hope. Both seasons had breakthrough moments and HBC's '06 team was a good team for us. We had a great come from behind v. CU in '06 & won our bowl game. 

We were pissed the way '07 went, but there was still hopeful momentum for most of us.

The biggest fan melt was the Frozen Pizza Bowl. I was livid. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

Boom has won some good games also, including the Michigan bowl win and taking down NC State when they were arguably the ACC's second best team.

The difference between Boom and Spurrier is that Spurrier could draw up enough plays to outscore a few teams. With BMac at OC and Hilinski at QB, I think that Boom is in that position now.

Recruiting fell off at the end of the Spurrier era, but not off a cliff. The biggest problem was with the "2-3 more years" statement and the resulting negative recruiting that cost us a handful of difference makers. If we had Arden Key when we had zero pass rush, or Jaire Alexander when we were hurting at CB, or Mike WIlliams, who almost singlehandedly beat us one year.

We re getting those guys now - a lot more 4* recruits and even our first 5* since Clowney.  Which is why we will continue to get better.

With respect I don't think you can equate a #24 nc state victory to a victory over a top 15 team (Florida) and champ was given credit for Michigan as his only noteworthy win. Aka fewer reasons to be excited by him than sos had in less time. Bigger question is what has champ done on the field to hang his hat on?

 

[FeatheredCock]

Champ is safe for now, but if he does drop the next two, Mizzu and Kentucky there will be heavy clouds on the horizon. I think Tanner and Champ are on the clock. this year in a way is pivotal especially the next two games. Next year Schedule not going to be any easier. Going to Mizzu at one time a double digit dog shows the hill in front of us. Not a mountain a hill we can overcome Saturday. We need to, No more steps backwards Champ has to break that trend same one he had at Florida. It's time now. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

Champ is safe for now, but if he does drop the next two, Mizzu and Kentucky there will be heavy clouds on the horizon. I think Tanner and Champ are on the clock. this year in a way is pivotal especially the next two games. Next year Schedule not going to be any easier. Going to Mizzu at one time a double digit dog shows the hill in front of us. Not a mountain a hill we can overcome Saturday. We need to, No more steps backwards Champ has to break that trend same one he had at Florida. It's time now. 

Pretty much where I stand. He's definitely on the fringe of being in trouble and needs to at least show he's treading water. I also agree on Tanner. If the best CFB coach he could get fails, he's also on the burner.