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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

JimG said:
If they don't respond to Russian aggression, then their mission is kaput. Might as well disband.

Russians are sneaky bastards....but so are we.
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Should we disband NATO, I agree we should have responded with aggression but instead we responded with public passive aggression and sent young Ukrainians and Russians to dies for 3 years for WHAT?
GMB2USC23 said:
We keep stoking the fire and giving them wood as Russia turns the country to rubble and Putin walks around with the nuclear football and it will not end well for Russia, explain? They are still selling oil and natural gas, have an 8 mile convoy headed to Ukraine, the Russian citizens are starting to back the war, this only ends with Ukraine conceding or WW3, someone be the adult and start diplomacy talks as this is insanity imo! Are we ready to go to war with Russia, anyone? Nuclear football... game over, if he does Kyiv like Hiroshima we going to arrest him for war crimes? Tell me the plan, I'm really curious as I read this thread...
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Who is spreading misinformation
 
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I think Ukraine will panic and attack Russia directly and heavily if any major concessions are forced on them.
 
Ukraine reporting a Russian drone hit the protective sarcophagus around the Chernobyl reactor. Not reporting any increase in radiation levels at this time.
 
Ukraine does not have nukes anymore, but some might say that multiple drone and aircraft strikes against Russian reactors would be very effective dirty bombs.

Unless NATO and the EU step in, things may go very badly over there in the next year. Ukraine has surely conserved the weapons provided by the West enough to strike Russia severely if they have to.

Trump is clearly telling Europe to shore up Ukraine on their own if they don't like his anticipated solution. The hard truth is Russia will not really honor any ceasefire in the long run and Ukraine will retaliate very effectively if they don't.

Putin has the means to easily kill Zelensky, but hasn't gone down that road because he's afraid of the West. Things will go badly if we say we don't care anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin and Zelensky are dead by the end of the coming year if Ukraine panics.
 
kingofnerf said:
Ukraine does not have nukes anymore, but some might say that multiple drone and aircraft strikes against Russian reactors would be very effective dirty bombs.

Unless NATO and the EU step in, things may go very badly over there in the next year. Ukraine has surely conserved the weapons provided by the West enough to strike Russia severely if they have to.

Trump is clearly telling Europe to shore up Ukraine on their own if they don't like his anticipated solution. The hard truth is Russia will not really honor any ceasefire in the long run and Ukraine will retaliate very effectively if they don't.

Putin has the means to easily kill Zelensky, but hasn't gone down that road because he's afraid of the West. Things will go badly if we say we don't care anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin and Zelensky are dead by the end of the coming year if Ukraine panics.
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Or Trump... if this is the climate some European leaders can be added to that list and the shit will hit the fan.
I hope Zelensky and Putin agree to sessions and fight covertly for the next 20 years fighting small state backed factions along the contested border to make the masses happy...
 
The Trump Administration opened talks with Russia and didn't include Zelensky in the talks and he immediately went to Europe and called America the bad guys...
 
GMB2USC23 said:
The Trump Administration opened talks with Russia and didn't include Zelensky in the talks and he immediately went to Europe and called America the bad guys...
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It would make sense that Trump would approach Putin first to see what are his must-haves and go from there.

Trump is going to concede some things to push Europe to pay for a lot more than they have been. It's really a European war when you look at the map.

Turkey has been strangely silent so far, but has the most to lose if Putin tries to expand southward towards Syria and the other oil-producing countries.

Trump is a master negotiator and is playing 3D chess right now.
 

A peacekeeping force would not only raise the risk of a direct confrontation with Russia, which launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, but also stretch European armies, whose arsenals have been depleted by supplying Ukraine and decades of relative peace.
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Will Euro peacekeeping forces will bring peace or foment escalation from Putin?

That would be anyone's guess, I reckon.
 
kingofnerf said:



Will Euro peacekeeping forces will bring peace or foment escalation from Putin?

That would be anyone's guess, I reckon.
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I would think a better option for peace keeping there would be maybe some Egyptians, Indians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Brazilians etc etc as opposed to European soldiers from nations that Putin would view as precursors to an invasion from those European countries.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
I would think a better option for peace keeping there would be maybe some Egyptians, Indians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Brazilians etc etc as opposed to European soldiers from nations that Putin would view as precursors to an invasion from those European countries.
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I don't know, but I think he's already crossed a line bringing the NKs into the mix.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
Not sure what these peace talks in Saudi will bring. But not involving Ukraine in the talks seems like a big oversight.
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Also true.

apnews.com

Russia and US agree to work toward ending Ukraine war in a remarkable diplomatic shift

The meeting is meant to pave the way for a meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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In an interview with The Associated Press after the meeting, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the two sides agreed broadly to pursue three goals: to restore staffing at their respective embassies in Washington and Moscow, to create a high-level team to support Ukraine peace talks and to explore closer relations and economic cooperation.

He stressed, however, that the talks — which were attended by his Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov, and other senior Russian and U.S. officials — marked the beginning of a conversation, and more work needs to be done.

Lavrov echoed Rubio’s remarks and told reporters that “the conversation was very useful.” “We not only listened, but also heard each other,” he said.

Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Waltz, and special Mideast envoy Steven Witkoff joined Rubio at the table, along with Lavrov and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s foreign affairs adviser, Yuri Ushakov.

No Ukrainian officials were present at the meeting, which came as the beleaguered country is slowly but steadily losing ground against more numerous Russian troops in a grinding war that began nearly three years ago. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country would not accept any outcome from the talks since Kyiv didn’t take part, and he postponed his own trip to the kingdom scheduled for Wednesday.
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Putin and Zelensky are both all-in, but anything is better than nothing.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
Not sure what these peace talks in Saudi will bring. But not involving Ukraine in the talks seems like a big oversight.
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It is how diplomacy works, if history repeats itself Zelensky is the dictator as I said earlier in this thread but it was deleted when we were practicing McCarthyism and not talking politics in this thread... I'm not saying he is a dictator but he certainly isn't the face of Democracy! If we continue with you can't trust Putin narrative as if you can trust an American politician or any politician for that matter and don't have diplomatic talks we are not a civil society and are back to just sending kids to die for leaders!
Zelensky should have gone to the negotiating table long ago as I said, he has destroyed his country and sent countless kids to die in a war he can't win while trying to pull the world in at every chance!
 
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