Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

[Sporkgod50]

Does it matter?  You’ve seen Georgia play right?  We beat Kentucky who’s playing with a QB that couldn’t start for several of our local HS teams and that makes you want to take a closer look at a game we will be 20+ pt underdogs at their place?  Sorry Georgia is a big loss.   

Happy with the defense.  Glad to see UNC gave fits to Clemson too.  But really concerned about our offense last two weeks and especially against Kentucky that doesn’t rank in the top 75 defensively.  I’m glad our running game look good but it’s not like Kentucky was keeping the ball from us. I mean how many three and outs did they have, we had chance after chance after chance and couldn’t score.  Our pass protection sucks and it’s going to be a major problem moving forward.  

The whole point in watching sports is that the outcome is not predetermined. The good guy doesn't always win. The favorite son isn't always chosen. Upsets happen. If you think that champ isn't capable of ever beating UGA, you need to get on the fire cwm train asap. I don't know that he's a great xs and os coach, but if he is then the extra week will help.

 

[Sporkgod50]

Sorry just had to call this comment out.  Ask Clemson about this one. Also Miami (who almost beat Florida). 

UNCs offensive line is massive and they have an excellent defensive coordinator.  Their QB is legit too.  Not a bad loss, but one we should’ve won.  Their bigs mauled us in the 4th qtr. 

Btw- its time to officially worry about App State.  

Sounds like you believe rebuilds don't have to take 6 years.

 

[Mr Ed]

Sounds like you believe rebuilds don't have to take 6 years.

I don’t like people believing unrealistic outcomes are possible and even reasonable...like beating Ga.  Then they get mad and want somebody to blame and we end up with 10 page threads like this one, lol

 

[TKE226]

Still the same. We beat UK however that doesn’t move the needle much. Maybe we win 5 games now but I dont see us qualifying for a bowl game. Unfortunately I think we lose a game to one of the easy 3- vandy, app st and ut. But we win one of the harder games. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

I don’t like people believing unrealistic outcomes are possible and even reasonable...like beating Ga.  Then they get mad and want somebody to blame and we end up with 10 page threads like this one, lol

Ok but what's that got to do with your post talking about UNC being a legit team?

 

[Sporkgod50]

Still the same. We beat UK however that doesn’t move the needle much. Maybe we win 5 games now but I dont see us qualifying for a bowl game. Unfortunately I think we lose a game to one of the easy 3- vandy, app st and ut. But we win one of the harder games. 

The thing that the Kentucky win did was keep cwm out of fire for two weeks. Not sure it did much more than that

 

[Mr Ed]

Still the same. We beat UK however that doesn’t move the needle much. Maybe we win 5 games now but I dont see us qualifying for a bowl game. Unfortunately I think we lose a game to one of the easy 3- vandy, app st and ut. But we win one of the harder games. 

Yep I agree.  I’m a big believer in statistics - especially the odds of winning or losing one game out of a stretch of games.  On paper it seems we should win those three games but then you do the math and realize it’s less than a 50/50 proposition (to win all three).  But same holds true with the big 4 left on our schedule.  The odds are decent we can perhaps see1 upset in that group.  So 5-7 to me seems realistic.  

 

[Mr Ed]

Ok but what's that got to do with your post talking about UNC being a legit team?

I think both UNC and Missouri are good teams.  Better than a lot of people are giving credit.  Not great teams but good enough to beat anyone on their schedule including Alabama and Clemson.   I think we saw that with UNC last weekend and the jury is still out on Missouri.   But at the end of the season I believe we won’t  consider those as bad of losses as we originally thought.

 So it’s premature to say that muschamp should be fired for being beat by UNC.   That was a tough opening game draw considering we had no film on their defensive coordinator with that specific personnel nor their offensive coordinator with a really good true freshman QB.  Again no true film, so how do you prepare?  And it turns out UNC is pretty decent team on top of that, so you put those two together and it’s a tough situation. 

 

[dreammachine]

I think both UNC and Missouri are good teams.  Better than a lot of people are giving credit.  Not great teams but good enough to beat anyone on their schedule including Alabama and Clemson.   I think we saw that with UNC last weekend and the jury is still out on Missouri.   But at the end of the season I believe we won’t  consider those as bad of losses as we originally thought.

 So it’s premature to say that muschamp should be fired for being beat by UNC.   That was a tough opening game draw considering we had no film on their defensive coordinator with that specific personnel nor their offensive coordinator with a really good true freshman QB.  Again no true film, so how do you prepare?  And it turns out UNC is pretty decent team on top of that, so you put those two together and it’s a tough situation. 

I totally agree with you Mr. Ed, but with that "other guy Sporky" - you have to remember that you are speaking to a "Walking - Talking - Encyclopaedia - Of - Useless - Information"!!!  

NC is a very good team - not great, but good enough to win if you don't bring your A Game to play them.  They had every chance to beat Clem&Son and why Mack Brown did not play for OT versus going for the 2 points is something that I don't understand.  I like my chances better in OT than going against one of the best defenses in the nation and they only have a short field to defend.  NC played very good and could have won the game. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

I think both UNC and Missouri are good teams.  Better than a lot of people are giving credit.  Not great teams but good enough to beat anyone on their schedule including Alabama and Clemson.   I think we saw that with UNC last weekend and the jury is still out on Missouri.   But at the end of the season I believe we won’t  consider those as bad of losses as we originally thought.

 So it’s premature to say that muschamp should be fired for being beat by UNC.   That was a tough opening game draw considering we had no film on their defensive coordinator with that specific personnel nor their offensive coordinator with a really good true freshman QB.  Again no true film, so how do you prepare?  And it turns out UNC is pretty decent team on top of that, so you put those two together and it’s a tough situation. 

So in conclusion, it doesn't take 6 years to rebuild a team...

 

[JimG]

 So it’s premature to say that muschamp should be fired for being beat by UNC.  

Usually a coach gets let go when his employers feel "the program needs to move in a new direction", or some other way of saying you didn't win enough games.

Beating UK was huge for WM at this point. A 4-5 win season is not going to get him fired, but 3-9 with some ugly losses might tip the scales.  

And don't forget App St beat UNC. 

 

[Longhaul]

So in conclusion, it doesn't take 6 years to rebuild a team...

Every program is different and there are many factors to say how long a team may take.  Controlling the line of scrimmage is how games are won and lost.  Developing talent and depth along both fronts can take time depending on your starting point and also the overall program in general.  Lot easier to build depth at a team that has a history of being a national power than other schools.  

 

[Sporkgod50]

Every program is different and there are many factors to say how long a team may take.  Controlling the line of scrimmage is how games are won and lost.  Developing talent and depth along both fronts can take time depending on your starting point and also the overall program in general.  Lot easier to build depth at a team that has a history of being a national power than other schools.  

UNC has a history of being a national power house? I really only see disadvantages when I compare UNC to USC. 

 

[Longhaul]

UNC has a history of being a national power house? I really only see disadvantages when I compare UNC to USC. 

I was not speaking about UNC in particular.  Reading back I now see that is a point you are trying to make, but I don't consider UNC's win over us to be some miraculous turnaround that we should be judging our entire program on.  I was very disappointed in the loss, but not sure what that has to do with how long it takes to turn around a program. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

I was not speaking about UNC in particular.  Reading back I now see that is a point you are trying to make, but I don't consider UNC's win over us to be some miraculous turnaround that we should be judging our entire program on.  I was very disappointed in the loss, but not sure what that has to do with how long it takes to turn around a program. 

If you follow the conversation, Mr. Ed argues that we have no chance of beating UGA, but that UNC probably should have beat Clemson (or at least they had a chance). He has in the past argued that CWM needs more time to build the program. I was pointing out the inherent contradictions in these positions. Personally, I don't know that I agree with any of his assertions, but I do find them logically flawed. 

 

[Ironfan]

Yeah, and UNC's loss to South Carolina during the 3-9 year was their only regular season L - and they came within a bad call of possibly beating Clemson in the ACC title game. They have been relevant since we have and they recruit at a similar (but slightly lower) to us. Not as a bad a loss as people thought - but we still should have won.

A lot of people had Mizzou being ranked and one publication had them at 7-1 in the SEC. They were a team taht we could have beaten, but not if our QB is off and gives them two TDs.

Bad but not terrible losses, and I do not think Clemson, TAMU, or UF are as good as people think. We can still have a good year.

We may make a bowl only if we steal one from UF or A&M. The odds however are not in our favor. Maybe Florida?

 

[Mr Ed]

If you follow the conversation, Mr. Ed argues that we have no chance of beating UGA, but that UNC probably should have beat Clemson (or at least they had a chance). He has in the past argued that CWM needs more time to build the program. I was pointing out the inherent contradictions in these positions. Personally, I don't know that I agree with any of his assertions, but I do find them logically flawed. 

I’m pretty sure USC won 9 games in Champs 2nd year.  Were we turned around then?  Nope, and neither is UNC.  They have a pretty decent team mostly made up of players that would’ve been part of Fedoras 7th season.  They should be decent.  Let’s see where UNC is in 2-4 years.  I suspect they will still be just decent.  By year 6 I would expect they will be very good and as good as they ever will be under Mack Brown (assuming he’s still there).  

 

[Sporkgod50]

I’m pretty sure USC won 9 games in Champs 2nd year.  Were we turned around then?  Nope, and neither is UNC.  They have a pretty decent team mostly made up of players that would’ve been part of Fedoras 7th season.  They should be decent.  Let’s see where UNC is in 2-4 years.  I suspect they will still be just decent.  By year 6 I would expect they will be very good and as good as they ever will be under Mack Brown (assuming he’s still there).  

So champ won 9 games with the deleted roster that spurrier left which was so bad he needed to do a complete rebuild? It's like Krispy Kreme in this conversation.

 

[Sporkgod50]

We may make a bowl only if we steal one from UF or A&M. The odds however are not in our favor. Maybe Florida?

Also got to win the games we should. No certainty there.

 

[Mr Ed]

We may make a bowl only if we steal one from UF or A&M. The odds however are not in our favor. Maybe Florida?

Maybe, they (Florida) haven’t looked great.  They beat Miami in the same manner UNC beat Miami, and they darn near lost to Kentucky.  So I think we are very close with them.  And it’s a home game, so that one seems like a good opportunity.  I’m concerned about App State out of the group most consider to be probable wins.  They look good and beat UNC and are putting up big offensive numbers.  That’s not a gimme.  

It looks to me like we will struggle mightily against anyone with a strong pass rush.  That kind of seems like what’s dictating our offensive success or failure right now.