Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

[Sporkgod50]

Well I think that would be Muschamp's signature win. And probably guarantees him a few more years. 

I still am hesitant of him as a head coach. The 58 yard field goal attempt was a headscratcher for a decision. If you are going to go for it, then we should have kept the offense on the field. Also, not to take away from the win, but we didn't score in the second half. Which is a concern to me. Can Joyner get it done? 

I generally agree. The defense played like you hope he'd get his defense to play. Can't defend that field goal attempt or the fourth and one when we clearly needed to challenge the spot.  That said this win offsets the UNC loss in my opinion but leaves those big questions about his in game decision making

 

[Sporkgod50]

This is not meant to "call you out" Ace, or be derogatory toward you in any way, but I get annoyed when people, mainly fans of the team who lost, say things like this.  Fromm did not have a bad day because he forgot how to play football, or couldn't remember what the plays were, he had a bad day because our defense played very well.  I have read repeatedly today from Georgia fans how they lost the game because of this, that, or the other.  NO!  You lost the game because the Gamecocks outplayed you, and kicked your tails!  It happens, just admit it.  We won today because of our defense.  They won it.  They stopped the Georgia offense when they needed to, and scored some points. Period.  End of story.

Exactly. Some questions left on the offensive coaching side of things but that defense was fire

 

[Sporkgod50]

I have been postulating that too much of a team's and a coach's success depends on the QB play. Boom lost a lot of support due to Bentley's 2 1/2 game slump, starting with the second half of the Akron game. Then the Mizzou game, when you could tell that something was wrong with Hilinski, had more folks jumping off the bandwagon.

Not bad coaching, not poor recruiting, just bad QB play. Hilinski accounted for 4 passes against Mizzou - 2 for us, 2 for Mizzou.  And 43.33% passing.

We almost lost today because Hilinski got hurt and Joyner was not ready to step up, due to injury and/or lack of preparation. But we won - basically - because Fromm had a bad game, missing passes and quadrupling his interceptions from the start of the season.

I think that we are making strides as a team, but QB play remains an issue with Hilinski being iffy for UF. Ironically, I thought that we would beat UF because their QB was not that good - but, like us, their starter went down and their back-up is a step up. And now our back-up might be on the fritz.

I'll never understand your willingness to throw our QBs under the bus in order to excuse the people paid to get the to perform. If one waiter sucks it's that person, if every time you go into the restaurant the service sucks, it's the manager/owner.

 

[Longhaul]

If you have watched Florida this season, their defense is pretty nasty.  They have speed everywhere and are very disruptive.  

Ha right after I post this they give up 42 points to LSU, but I do think they are a very talented unit 

 

[Pitchcock]

I'll never understand your willingness to throw our QBs under the bus in order to excuse the people paid to get the to perform. If one waiter sucks it's that person, if every time you go into the restaurant the service sucks, it's the manager/owner.

He’s not throwing the QB’s under the bus, just stating facts.

Jake was consistently inconsistent through his time here, and basically collapsed mentally after the Clemson game. My understanding is the staff didn’t put Scar in late in the season because he wasn’t getting it done in practice. They didn’t have any other viable options. He continued his struggles against UNC, now his season (and likely his career here) is done.

Hilinski started strong, then began struggling after the Bama game. In large part that’s due to the beating he’s taken, first it was elbow issues now a knee. 

That leads us to our 3rd string QB, who really wasn’t offered by anyone else as a QB. And to be fair, it’s almost a lock that the only reason we offered him as a QB is solely because he was an instate player. He hasn’t been able to practice because of a hamstring issue, so he was understandably rusty. The good news, is at least he looked more comfortable mentally taking snaps. If he’s able to get some practice in and sharpen things up he may be able to buy us time until Ryan somewhat bounces back.

 

[Sporkgod50]

He’s not throwing the QB’s under the bus, just stating facts.

Jake was consistently inconsistent through his time here, and basically collapsed mentally after the Clemson game. My understanding is the staff didn’t put Scar in late in the season because he wasn’t getting it done in practice. They didn’t have any other viable options. He continued his struggles against UNC, now his season (and likely his career here) is done.

Hilinski started strong, then began struggling after the Bama game. In large part that’s due to the beating he’s taken, first it was elbow issues now a knee. 

That leads us to our 3rd string QB, who really wasn’t offered by anyone else as a QB. And to be fair, it’s almost a lock that the only reason we offered him as a QB is solely because he was an instate player. He hasn’t been able to practice because of a hamstring issue, so he was understandably rusty. The good news, is at least he looked more comfortable mentally taking snaps. If he’s able to get some practice in and sharpen things up he may be able to buy us time until Ryan somewhat bounces back.

So the person to blame isn't the coaching staff is their employees. Gotcha. 

 

[Pitchcock]

So the person to blame isn't the coaching staff is their employees. Gotcha. 

Other than wanting to bitch and complain what logical point are you trying to make? 

We have 4 scholarship QB’s on the roster. The 1st stringer took the job as a true Freshman from a walk on and the eventual starter who has wound up now quitting football completely. He had no competition behind him.

The 2nd stringer is a true Freshmanwho was thrust into the starting spot due to the 1st stringer having a season ending injury. He was actually playing pretty darn good, but hasn’t looked the same since several Mack trucks with Alabama stickers on them flattened him multiple times.

The 3rd stringer wasn’t offered to play QB at any other D1 program. He’s playing on one leg, yet played gutsy and finished the game to help beat the #3 team in the country on the road.

The 4th stringer is our last hope if Joyner gets hurt, he’s been practicing at WR until the last week or two. He didn’t have a ton of offers either to play QB, like Dak we signed him because he’s an instate guy.

We just rang up one of the biggest wins in program history, and you’re griping, mumbling incoherently about restaurants, waiters, restaurant owners, and employees.

Youre as bad as the idiots over on FGF still whining that Muschamp has to go in favor of Mike Leach or whoever else they deem “flavor of the week”.

Despite fighting some pretty tough odds the team is improving. We have a ton of true Freshmen and true Sophomores playing key roles. I think the future is looking brighter as they get experience and gel as a team.

You honestly don’t see that? 

 

[Sporkgod50]

It is because the coaches are not throwing the ball. Or catching it. Or running it. All they can do is prepare the best player for each position as well as they can and trust them to play well.

I'll never understand how you think that a poorly thrown pass (like yesterday) or a Pick Six on a well thrown pass that the receiver muffs (like last year) is bad coaching.

If a waiter trips and drops your order, and you get your food late as a result, does the restaurant management suck? Or was it just an unfortunate acccident, and you need to give them a second chance? Especially if the food is good quality and the service is typically good.

I understand that the last two comments are open to discussion and evaluation, but it is proven that Boom can recruit and coach D. And it looks like we may have a QB if he can stay healthy. And the run game is looking up. And we now have the signature win that people (like you) keep bringing up.

Let's see what happens the rest of the way.

If they do it once, shame on them. If every qb makes the same mistake, shame on the coaches. You sound like you don't think coaches have anything do with performance. Are you also not giving champ any credit for good things that happen on the field including execution? I think he deserves a lot of credit for how his defense played and executed yesterday.

 

[Sporkgod50]

Other than wanting to bitch and complain what logical point are you trying to make? 

We have 4 scholarship QB’s on the roster. The 1st stringer took the job as a true Freshman from a walk on and the eventual starter who has wound up now quitting football completely. He had no competition behind him.

The 2nd stringer is a true Freshmanwho was thrust into the starting spot due to the 1st stringer having a season ending injury. He was actually playing pretty darn good, but hasn’t looked the same since several Mack trucks with Alabama stickers on them flattened him multiple times.

The 3rd stringer wasn’t offered to play QB at any other D1 program. He’s playing on one leg, yet played gutsy and finished the game to help beat the #3 team in the country on the road.

The 4th stringer is our last hope if Joyner gets hurt, he’s been practicing at WR until the last week or two. He didn’t have a ton of offers either to play QB, like Dak we signed him because he’s an instate guy.

We just rang up one of the biggest wins in program history, and you’re griping, mumbling incoherently about restaurants, waiters, restaurant owners, and employees.

Youre as bad as the idiots over on FGF still whining that Muschamp has to go in favor of Mike Leach or whoever else they deem “flavor of the week”.

Despite fighting some pretty tough odds the team is improving. We have a ton of true Freshmen and true Sophomores playing key roles. I think the future is looking brighter as they get experience and gel as a team.

You honestly don’t see that? 

Quarterback play has been a consistent area where champ coached teams need to improve. Acknowledging that he's the consistent variable is only bitching if you think so little of the man you don't think he can ever improve. I'm just far more bullish on him

 

[zcoop]

Other than wanting to bitch and complain what logical point are you trying to make? 

We have 4 scholarship QB’s on the roster. The 1st stringer took the job as a true Freshman from a walk on and the eventual starter who has wound up now quitting football completely. He had no competition behind him.

The 2nd stringer is a true Freshmanwho was thrust into the starting spot due to the 1st stringer having a season ending injury. He was actually playing pretty darn good, but hasn’t looked the same since several Mack trucks with Alabama stickers on them flattened him multiple times.

The 3rd stringer wasn’t offered to play QB at any other D1 program. He’s playing on one leg, yet played gutsy and finished the game to help beat the #3 team in the country on the road.

The 4th stringer is our last hope if Joyner gets hurt, he’s been practicing at WR until the last week or two. He didn’t have a ton of offers either to play QB, like Dak we signed him because he’s an instate guy.

We just rang up one of the biggest wins in program history, and you’re griping, mumbling incoherently about restaurants, waiters, restaurant owners, and employees.

Youre as bad as the idiots over on FGF still whining that Muschamp has to go in favor of Mike Leach or whoever else they deem “flavor of the week”.

Despite fighting some pretty tough odds the team is improving. We have a ton of true Freshmen and true Sophomores playing key roles. I think the future is looking brighter as they get experience and gel as a team.

You honestly don’t see that? 

Joyner was actually offer to play at NC State, Va Tech and a few others. Clemson was one who drew a line at Athlete. Don 't make stuff up.

 

[Lalli25]

If you have watched Florida this season, their defense is pretty nasty.  They have speed everywhere and are very disruptive.  

But I think their DC is an idiot and if you look at his track record, his defenses regress over time under him.  I could be wrong but just my opinion of Grantham. 
 

I also think with a week of prep based on playing Joyner, we should be able to take advantage of their D.  Their D gave up chunks to a terrible Miami O, so we should be able to gain yards on them.  

 

[Lalli25]

Ha right after I post this they give up 42 points to LSU, but I do think they are a very talented unit 

Can’t equate our O to LSU, so won’t hold that against you in my assessment of their D. 

 

[zcoop]

Can’t equate our O to LSU, so won’t hold that against you in my assessment of their D. 

True dat, LSU is a very capable O.

 

[Ironfan]

It is evident to me Muschamp has taken over the defense play calling. 

 

[Longhaul]

It is evident to me Muschamp has taken over the defense play calling. 

I was thinking the same thing.  I also think that this defense is really starting to gel.  The linebackers finally look like the trust each other and know where their counterparts are.   The young guys playing along the line are also really starting to come together along side the older guys. I wish Keir Thomas was healthy that experience could really help our young guys even more 

 

[Pitchcock]

Joyner was actually offer to play at NC State, Va Tech and a few others. Clemson was one who drew a line at Athlete. Don 't make stuff up.

An offer and a committable offer are two different things. We toss out probably 150-200 offers a year, only a few are immediately committable.

NC State was his only possibly committable offer, and that’s not even a definite. VT wasn’t committable based on what some big Hokie boosters have told me. Bama offers everyone in the country, their offer wasn’t committable at QB.

We offered/signed him solely because he’s an instate guy, knowing he was going to have to develop. Nothing wrong with that. Daks a great athlete, hopefully he gets healthy and plays good against UF. 

One positive is even though he wasn’t 100%, he looked more comfortable in the pocket. I’m thinking as he becomes more comfortable and the game slows down more he’ll look better.

 

[Pitchcock]

Quarterback play has been a consistent area where champ coached teams need to improve. Acknowledging that he's the consistent variable is only bitching if you think so little of the man you don't think he can ever improve. I'm just far more bullish on him

Most teams take one QB a year. Not all of them pan out. And you can’t oversign several guys at QB if you have depth issues at other positions that need addressing. Plus you get too many on roster they transfer out to get playing time.

If Grier hadn’t been injured at UF Muschamp possibly never would’ve been fired. He recruited Brisset, who was pretty highly ranked, he left to get more playing time. He had some injury issues that set him back.

Look at what he inherited here at QB, he had to start with nothing, we had no depth. He signed BMac, a holdover recruit from the previous staff, who most people felt would be a good player. It didn’t pan out, now he’s quit football.

 Jake fell into our lap when he hired Bobby. Despite his inconsistencies statistically he ranks as one of our better QB’s, which shows where our program has been.

He signed Urich, a big athletic guy who gave us options at other positions. He signed Dak, a very athletic guy who was pretty universally recognized as a raw talent who would take a couple of years to mold as a college QB. He signed Hilinski, who admittedly fell into our lap because Roper had a connection to the family. We have a commit from Doty, another athletic guy with a lot of potential. 

What else do you honestly expect him to do?

 

[JimG]

 Jake fell into our lap when he hired Bobby. Despite his inconsistencies statistically he ranks as one of our better QB’s, which shows where our program has been.

He signed Urich, a big athletic guy who gave us options at other positions. He signed Dak, a very athletic guy who was pretty universally recognized as a raw talent who would take a couple of years to mold as a college QB. He signed Hilinski, who admittedly fell into our lap because Roper had a connection to the family. We have a commit from Doty, another athletic guy with a lot of potential. 

Well if these guys keep "falling into our lap", seems you don't think much of Muschamp's alleged recruiting prowess. 

 

[Cockybusiness]

Wait I thought we won... Why all the bickering

 

[Mr Ed]

He’s not throwing the QB’s under the bus, just stating facts.

Jake was consistently inconsistent through his time here, and basically collapsed mentally after the Clemson game. My understanding is the staff didn’t put Scar in late in the season because he wasn’t getting it done in practice. They didn’t have any other viable options. He continued his struggles against UNC, now his season (and likely his career here) is done.

Hilinski started strong, then began struggling after the Bama game. In large part that’s due to the beating he’s taken, first it was elbow issues now a knee. 

Hilinski’s performances have a lot to do with the defenses he’s playing.  Nobody want to give Missouri credit.  That’s the best defense in the Sec.  Alabama’s defense is barely middle of the pack.  There’s a reason he has been up and down.  Just go look up SEC defensive stats.