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Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

The plays were there to be made yesterday but things didn't get done. I watched errant pass after errant pass but the QB remained in the game. I don't know what it is with Muschump and his loyalty to the starting QB but that has cost us games. 

Other teams make a move when the QB is not getting the job done but Carolina under Chump puts his head in the sand and accepts a loss doing the very thing that is not working. Even when it's obvious that the game is over, no change is made at that position. Until this kind of thinking is eradicated, this team will lose. Stupid shit yields stupid results. 

 
zcoop said:
The plays were there to be made yesterday but things didn't get done. I watched errant pass after errant pass but the QB remained in the game. I don't know what it is with Muschump and his loyalty to the starting QB but that has cost us games. 

Other teams make a move when the QB is not getting the job done but Carolina under Chump puts his head in the sand and accepts a loss doing the very thing that is not working. Even when it's obvious that the game is over, no change is made at that position. Until this kind of thinking is eradicated, this team will lose. Stupid shit yields stupid results. 
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TN played 3 QBs, all were successful.  We played 1 and never looked at anyone else even though he was off again.  This is just like the MO game, basically no offense at all and it starts with the poor QB play.  When he's off, we HAVE to try something else, but for some reason they don't do it.  The entire coaching staff did a horrible job.  Special Teams gave up 14, the D gave up long play after long play, the offense barely did anything.  There were no positives at all.  CWM isn't going to get fired yet, but next year may be his last.

To pay him 4+ million to get 3 wins is ridiculous.  We should just get some no name person and pay him 2 million for 3 wins.

JD

 
Muschamp is going back to his old ways. Run a Buck in instead of a true 4-3. people are asking for the deep ball but the kid does not have time to pass the deep ball. Ryan is playing hurt and you can tell. Until Doty gets here, the  Program will stay the same. Doty can run like Shaw and pass even better. The OC has to go or just coach WR's. The play calling is bad. Trod has not impressed me at all. If i'm Muskrat, id Fire both DC and OC after the signing period. 

 
I am also wondering why Tanner thought a coach that could not win at UF - where there is better recruiting, multiple Heisman trophy's, multiple national championships, multiple East and Conference championships, could do something different at South Carolina?  Muschamp is not head coaching material and Tanner is not AD material.  Muschamp was a desperation hire IMO.  All the other choices were gone so he rolled the dice on CWM.  The dice are off the table, rolling down the street now.  This coaching staff shows me nothing outside of a few decent games in 4 years.  Other than that, same old shit.  Tired of hearing CWM saying it's his fault, blah, blah, blah.  Make a change and make this team better.  We get out coached and played way too often for the level of talent on our team.

 
JimG said:
Until he beats teams of equal talent and stops losing to teams like UNC and UVA, he's headed for removal. He could have Bama's players and still find a way to lose. 

If anything saves him, it's Ryan Hilinski not some magical recruiting. His defenses are not doing him any favors. 
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...and RH ain't Muschamp's savior. 

This has gone full cycle and it's now a consistent trend that extends back to UF.

The only thing that can fix this is a new HC (and maybe a new AD). 

 
Being always a  negative fan or a fan who is all supportive of this staff is not what to complain about here.  If you are a True Gamecock Fan and have suffered under many Head Coaches over the years, then you will understand what I am saying.  There is something totally wrong with our football team at this time.  Our O-Line could not block their sisters on Saturday and Tenn did a pretty good job of allowing their QB time to throw the ball.  Our QB was having to rush throwing the ball a tad early and this will cause your ball to be either "high - low - too fast - or behind you - etc".  I think the QB always gets far too much credit for a victory and far too much blame when we lose.  The last time I looked - there are supposed to be 11 guys on defense and 11 offense and each one has to do his job.  We have many areas on both sides of the ball where the starter is not doing his job and the rest of the team is suffering from it.  Is it coaching, is it the overall defensive/offensive game plan, who da heck knows, but I do know this as a True Gamecock Fan - we have got some problems on both sides of the ball and it starts with the coaching and overall game plan and we are not looking good at either one now.  You should get better in your preparations each game - albeit win or lose and we just don't seem to be doing this.  One week we look OK, and then go out and get our ass handed to us by a "so-so Tenn Team"???  Team improvement does not seem to be consistent and moral losses don't mean diddle squat and losing to teams you should beat is what our team should not be doing!!!!!  I am as die-hard as anyone on this board, but our team seems "like a fart in a spacesuit and we are just going around in circles"???  Hell, I just want us to win and play tough week in and week out.  We don't have to be Alabama every year, but is it too much to ask for a season to be where our opponents fear playing us????  I know it is tough being a Gamecock Fan and I have seen us almost get to "the top of the mountain a couple of times in my life", but I am sick and tired of sorry performances by our team and piss poor playing calling on both sides of the ball.  Nuff said!!!!

 
IMHO one of the biggest problems isn't recruiting difference makers at the skill positions, but recruiting depth in general.  Unlike the elite teams, we don't have the depth to withstand injuries at key positions, which are just a part of the game.  Other teams can roll in a backup lineman and be fine, we do it and Ryan is running for his life on quick slants.  Unfortunately, that's not an easy fix, as much of it comes down to geographical and team history related obstacles.

 
kevhugh said:
IMHO one of the biggest problems isn't recruiting difference makers at the skill positions, but recruiting depth in general.  Unlike the elite teams, we don't have the depth to withstand injuries at key positions, which are just a part of the game.  Other teams can roll in a backup lineman and be fine, we do it and Ryan is running for his life on quick slants.  Unfortunately, that's not an easy fix, as much of it comes down to geographical and team history related obstacles.
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You bring up a fair point, and I would argue then that if its a known issue, then we should be heavily recruiting mobile QBs to offset that issue. 

 
Let the season play out.  Nobody knows how the last 4 games will go.  For all anybody knows we could beat A&M and then turnaround and upset Clemson.  College football is crazy.  There is still a lot to play for.  

 
Ace Dilcock said:
Corpsman, UT's two QBs averaged 12.1 and 11.1 YPA, and had QB ratings of 87.7 and 80.3., with a collective completion percentage of 60%.

Hilinski's numbers were 6.3 per attempt, QB rating of 38.4, completion percentage of under 55% - despite not taking any downfield shots. And a lot of his yardage/completions were easy throws late in the game when UT was in prevent D - and they resulted in no points.

If you include the sacks, it drops to 5.5 yards per attempt. If you take away his first throw  - which was fairly short with a lot of YAC - he averaged an anemic 4.3 per attempt the rest of the way. UT actually got an additional 39 rushing yards out of their QBs - their two passing QBs had 3 carries for 21 yards.

So yes, poor QB play was a major issue - again. UT's best QB was on the sidelines, and his two replacements were hardly big-time QBs. We should have had the edge there, but it turned out to be the difference in the game for UT.

I will agree that the UT O Line blocked better, at least on passing plays.  And it is hard to say how much of the UT's QB success was due to their good play and how much was due to our anemic D. 

Hilinski went with short, safe throws the whole game and missed a LOT of them, while UT's QBs were going downfield and completing a higher percentage. You cannot win that way. 
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still wanting to blame the 17-22 year olds and not the coaches...

 
Our second half performances have been abysmal, and not just this year. UF last year was an example. I joked with a UT fan friend of mine that we would lose the game in the 4th quarter because we are good like that, but this game we lost in the 3rd quarter. 

Seriously I dont get it, but its true. 

 
Sporkgod50 said:
still wanting to blame the 17-22 year olds and not the coaches...
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Spork, I don't know enough about the X's and O's of football to offer a detailed, cerebral dissection of exactly what went wrong on each play, but I don't see how it can be blamed entirely on coaching.  If you want to take the position that the coaching staff comes up with the game plan, and the players stick to it completely, and never improvise, then ok, I can see blaming the coaches.  But when you look at how well the defense played against KY, and Georgia, how can they not learn what worked, and still execute in that fashion against Tennessee?  If you as a player are told by the coaching staff to give a cushion on a receiver, and you see what the play is, and where the ball is going, do you really think the player is not going to make the play?  If you want to blame the coaches for setting the mindset of the game, or the overall enthusiasm, or work ethic, or whatever, then ok, I can see blaming the coaches for that part.  But these kids have been playing ball, for the most part, since they were 5 and 6 years old.  They should know how to play their positions by this point.  Yes, the coaches bear responsibility, and I have been a Muschamp supporter, and he isn't getting the job done, but at some point you have to lay the blame, or some part of it, on the guys actually on the field.  There was no heart, and no discipline at points in the game.  That falls on the players.  If, at this level of ball, you can't motivate yourself to play as hard as you can, you don't belong there.  If you constantly need a coach in your ear to pump you up, and make you want to do your job, you need to hit the bricks.  Giving them a pass because they are 17-22 year olds is ridiculous.

EVERYBODY, from the administration, to the coaches, to the players, to the equipment manager, and any other person that has anything to do with the football program, needs to do his freaking job!

 
Cockyandproud said:
Spork, I don't know enough about the X's and O's of football to offer a detailed, cerebral dissection of exactly what went wrong on each play, but I don't see how it can be blamed entirely on coaching.  If you want to take the position that the coaching staff comes up with the game plan, and the players stick to it completely, and never improvise, then ok, I can see blaming the coaches.  But when you look at how well the defense played against KY, and Georgia, how can they not learn what worked, and still execute in that fashion against Tennessee?  If you as a player are told by the coaching staff to give a cushion on a receiver, and you see what the play is, and where the ball is going, do you really think the player is not going to make the play?  If you want to blame the coaches for setting the mindset of the game, or the overall enthusiasm, or work ethic, or whatever, then ok, I can see blaming the coaches for that part.  But these kids have been playing ball, for the most part, since they were 5 and 6 years old.  They should know how to play their positions by this point.  Yes, the coaches bear responsibility, and I have been a Muschamp supporter, and he isn't getting the job done, but at some point you have to lay the blame, or some part of it, on the guys actually on the field.  There was no heart, and no discipline at points in the game.  That falls on the players.  If, at this level of ball, you can't motivate yourself to play as hard as you can, you don't belong there.  If you constantly need a coach in your ear to pump you up, and make you want to do your job, you need to hit the bricks.  Giving them a pass because they are 17-22 year olds is ridiculous.

EVERYBODY, from the administration, to the coaches, to the players, to the equipment manager, and any other person that has anything to do with the football program, needs to do his freaking job!
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I completely agree with you that everyone screwed up on Saturday. I'm not giving anyone a pass for their age. In football and any other industry, when everyone is screwing up, you blame the boss. Similarly, if a team/business keeps having the same problem (QB performance or hygiene problems at a restaurant) it is the boss's fault. Hopefully that makes sense. In other words, if champ can't consistently get the players to perform on the field, then he is too blame. 

 
Sporkgod50 said:
I completely agree with you that everyone screwed up on Saturday. I'm not giving anyone a pass for their age. In football and any other industry, when everyone is screwing up, you blame the boss. Similarly, if a team/business keeps having the same problem (QB performance or hygiene problems at a restaurant) it is the boss's fault. Hopefully that makes sense. In other words, if champ can't consistently get the players to perform on the field, then he is too blame. 
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Fair enough, at least now I understand what you mean.  As the owner of my business, regardless of whether my guys screw up, or whatever, I am ultimately responsible.  

However, I think there may be a bit more involved here.  Unlike a business, he can't just fire everyone and get new people in by the next week.  There is something about our football program, because this has been a problem for a long, long time.  It's been happening for as long as I can remember.  We can be world beaters one week, and then the following week we couldn't stop a kid's flag football team.  I sometimes wonder if the best solution would be a complete overhaul of the system and philosophy.  Like bringing in an air raid coach, or something like that.  Something that has never been done before.  I'm not saying that is the solution, I just wonder what it would take to break this cycle.  It happened even during the Spurrier heyday.

 
Cockyandproud said:
We can be world beaters one week, and then the following week we couldn't stop a kid's flag football team.  
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This happens to a lot of teams, especially ones without top tier talent. But that's not what's happening right now. 

We are absorbing 2nd half beat downs from SEC teams and we have no answer or end in sight. The beatings are worse than when we went 3-9 in '15. 

This may be the worst team we've had since '99 and our head coach makes $4.2 mil/yr. 

There is something very wrong with USC football that goes beyond coordinators and recruiting stars. 

 
Cockyandproud said:
Fair enough, at least now I understand what you mean.  As the owner of my business, regardless of whether my guys screw up, or whatever, I am ultimately responsible.  

However, I think there may be a bit more involved here.  Unlike a business, he can't just fire everyone and get new people in by the next week.  There is something about our football program, because this has been a problem for a long, long time.  It's been happening for as long as I can remember.  We can be world beaters one week, and then the following week we couldn't stop a kid's flag football team.  I sometimes wonder if the best solution would be a complete overhaul of the system and philosophy.  Like bringing in an air raid coach, or something like that.  Something that has never been done before.  I'm not saying that is the solution, I just wonder what it would take to break this cycle.  It happened even during the Spurrier heyday.
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I also manage a small group but it's highly appreciated so replacing people is not quick. I'm evaluated every 3 years and if my staff isn't performing it's my ass. I appreciated what spurrier tried to do, but honestly all the champ apologists are what he was fighting to get ride of. Other schools have standards meet them out leave, not it's the QBs fault that the coach consistently loses

 
Sporkgod50 said:
I also manage a small group but it's highly appreciated so replacing people is not quick. I'm evaluated every 3 years and if my staff isn't performing it's my ass. I appreciated what spurrier tried to do, but honestly all the champ apologists are what he was fighting to get ride of. Other schools have standards meet them out leave, not it's the QBs fault that the coach consistently loses
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I have said it before, and if anyone remembers what I have written in the past, I have been a Muschamp supporter.  I believed, based on what I had read that he got a raw deal in Florida.  On paper he seems to have everything to be successful. We are almost through the fourth year of his tenure.  Looking for improvement before year 4 is absurd, when the program was in the mess it was in.  I was fully expecting that this year was the year we would see the fruits of his labor.  I did not expect a championship this year, but I did expect to see where we had turned the corner, and next year should have been our bursting on to the national scene as contenders.  Unless something really drastic happens, we are definitely not going to be bursting on to the scene next year.  I don't believe Muschamp will be let go after this year, because of the buyout, and also, the Georgia win will buy him time.  I would like to know what you think should be done.  I do not have inside information about the football program, so all I know is what I read from others.  According to others, Muschamp has built the infrastructure of the program, and organized and modernized recruiting, and other parts of the program.  Programs that change coaches every few years continue to flounder, so how long do you believe he should get to be successful?  Who, or what type of coach should we search for, and do you think that we have a legitimate shot at a program-changing coach, once Muschamp is gone?  We are what we are, so how would you propose we go from where we are now to where we want to be.  

By the way, this are legitimate questions, not a post to bait you into an argument.  I truly want to know what those who did not want Muschamp from the beginning, think should be done, because this doesn't seem to be working, at least not at this point.

 
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