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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

Putin was offering bounties on American soldiers killed with mostly Russian weapons in Afghanistan long before what he's doing in Ukraine now.

Technically that's an act of war to many people.

Zelensky sadly seems to be the only leader of the free world right now to many people.
 
Blitzkrieg said:
Good point about the hundred mile boat ride.
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Interesting.....the ROCs have invested heavily in anti-ship missiles and multiple ways of firing them.
Any invasion attempt from the PRC is going to be costly.

And now Putin has asked the PRC for military and financial aid. Seems the old bear is missing teeth and claws.
 
GMB2USC23 said:
My greatest fear is the longer this goes on the more emboldened other dictators will feel the need to call this paper pushing bluff...
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Or see the futility of it....Russia has crapped their own bed. The independent corporation level sanctions are unprecedented and the ruble is turning into rubble.
 
JimG said:
Or see the futility of it....Russia has crapped their own bed. The independent corporation level sanctions are unprecedented and the ruble is turning into rubble.
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Will the world economy survive, what will the long term affects be on our economy, how long do you feel Russia will crap its pants and what is the outcome, Russian revolution
 
GMB2USC23 said:
Will the world economy survive, what will the long term affects be on our economy, how long do you feel Russia will crap its pants and what is the outcome, Russian revolution
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I've seen in a few articles I've read, that economies will likely hit some kind of recession. But look how well the US did in spite of the virus!

I'll be surprised if Ukraine and Russia don't go at it for an extended time. Putin needs to save face...so he needs some kind of victory. But the Ukrainians are not playing ball. The Russians were eventually defeated in Afghanistan....they have a tougher war in Ukraine.
They've already lost a surprising amount of vehicles and aircraft...that's one reason Putin's asking China for aid.
Russia is not likely to have any kind of revolution or coup. Putin has multiple layers of anti-coup security forces. He has a tight grip.
Some have implied Russia will become a pariah state with Putin still on the throne.

I also imagine that we'll eventually shoot down some of their planes that cross over into Poland. They did this in Turkey and paid for it.
 
Putin has made Russia wealthy and powerful and there are undoubtedly oligarchs over there that want to take it from him.

It makes you think this whole thing still comes down to Putin flexing his muscles to show the oligarchs who's still the boss.
 
kingofnerf said:
Putin has made Russia wealthy and powerful and there are undoubtedly oligarchs over there that want to take it from him.

It makes you think this whole thing still comes down to Putin flexing his muscles to show the oligarchs who's still the boss.
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I think Putin has made a small number of Russians wealthy and powerful - the country itself, as a whole, is anything but. I think direct intervention (troops of any kind) in this affair is a mistake. Expand NATO to Sweden and Finland, offer all aid and assistance short of troops we can give to the Ukraine. Clearly the response would be categorically different should he so much as rattle a saber at a NATO member.
 
Swayin said:
I think Putin has made a small number of Russians wealthy and powerful - the country itself, as a whole, is anything but. I think direct intervention (troops of any kind) in this affair is a mistake. Expand NATO to Sweden and Finland, offer all aid and assistance short of troops we can give to the Ukraine. Clearly the response would be categorically different should he so much as rattle a saber at a NATO member.
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I purposely did other things and only watched a little of the Ukraine news over the weekend to restore my sanity.

Both sides appear to be serious about the latest round of talks. One person on one of the shows said Mariupol's close proximity to the Crimea makes it a very valuable prize for Putin.

I generally believe there needs to be a temporary NATO security firewall slightly east of the Dnepre river to prevent further gains from Putin. That would include Kyiv and Odessa. Extending a line SE to include Mariupol and Donetsk would be even better.

I can also see a West/East Ukraine division as well in the long run with West Ukraine being a part of NATO.
 
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kingofnerf said:
I purposely did other things and only watched a little of the Ukraine news over the weekend to restore my sanity.

Both sides appear to be serious about the latest round of talks. One person on one of the shows said Mariupol's close proximity to the Crimea makes it a very valuable prize for Putin.

I generally believe there needs to be a temporary NATO security firewall slightly east of the Dnepre river to prevent further gains from Putin. That would include Kyiv and Odessa. Extending a line SE to include Mariupol and Donetsk would be even better.

I can also see a West/East Ukraine division as well in the long run with West Ukraine being a part of NATO.
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You mean like Germany was split during the cold war? Interesting. I don't think the west should give up anything. But there may not be another choice if the Russians will not stop just leveling cities without regard to civilian life (at least not one that involves a full scare war between NATO and Russia.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
You mean like Germany was split during the cold war? Interesting. I don't think the west should give up anything. But there may not be another choice if the Russians will not stop just leveling cities without regard to civilian life (at least not one that involves a full scare war between NATO and Russia.
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Only if Zelensky is amicable to giving up a portion of his country and the Russians are forced to pay reparations. And we still have war crimes to address.

The Russians are in the jam here from a NATO standpoint, but unfortunately the livelihoods of the Ukrainian people are caught in the middle.
 
The Russian Navy apparently showing some force presence near Japan recently:

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Japan Again Raises Concern Over 10 Warship Russian Navy Surface Group - USNI News

Japanese officials are raising concerns over a ten-ship Russian naval group that transited from the Pacific Ocean to the Sea of Japan via the Tsugaru Strait between Honshu and Hokkaido on Thursday. The warships, belonging to the Russian Pacific Fleet of the Russian Navy, had been previously seen...
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And the U.S. Navy flexing its muscles following the recent North Korean ICBM launch:

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U.S. Carrier Fighters Overfly Yellow Sea in Response to North Korean Missile Launch - USNI News

The U.S. Navy conducted an air demonstration with carrier aircraft on Tuesday in the Yellow Sea following the recent launches of North Korea intercontinental ballistic missiles, according to U.S. 7th Fleet. The demonstration was carried out in international airspace by Navy F/A-18E/F Super...
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Nobody multitasks better than the good ole USN.
 
U.S. Navy perspective on China's military build-up.

In his opening statement, Aquilino said China is running “a dedicated campaign … to uproot the rules-based order” that has existed in the Indo-Pacific since the end of World War II.

China is not just an immediate threat with its expressed ambitions to bring Taiwan under its control, but is continuing the “largest military build-up since World War II … across all domains,” Aquilino said. Its fleet is projected to number 460 surface warships and submarines by the end of the decade.
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A Chinese Takeover of Taiwan Would Prompt Different Pentagon Response, Top Indo-Pacific Official Says - USNI News

The Pentagon’s senior civilian for the Indo-Pacific testified Wednesday that the United States’ response to the Chinese aggressively moving to take over Taiwan would be different from Washington’s reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ely Ratner, assistant secretary for Indo-Pacific...
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He spoke to Americans as no U.S. president in memory has spoken to us, reminding us of our aspirations and pleading for us to live up to them.

He hearkened to the greatest challenges to our own country's survival — the fight for independence, the bombardment of Pearl Harbor, the 9/11 attacks — and insisted that Russia's invasion of Ukraine poses no less urgent a threat to America's values and its standing in the world.

He equated his nation's aspirations for freedom with those of the American civil rights movement, telling his congressional audience that Ukrainians, too, have a dream, and challenging those who claim to support it to put up or shut up.

"This is a terror that Europe has not seen for 80 years," Volodomyr Zelenskyy said, "and we are asking for an answer to this terror from the whole world."
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Opinion: Zelenskyy is the leader of the free world now

In his urgent appeal to the U.S. Congress, Ukranian President Volodomyr Zelenskyy stakes his claim to the moral leadership of democratic nations
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