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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

JimG said:
...yet they keep coming.

Who needs tanks when you got convicts? Easy way to make room in their prisons for political enemies.
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Yep - sad but true. No better way to thin out your prison population then give them a deal to join the Wagner group for 6 months and be released (and not telling them they will literally be sent to their death with very minimal training and gear, and with a very slim chance of making it 6 months.)

It's downright barbaric.
 
Apparently some of the Wagner group 'soldiers' are storming Ukrainian positions with shovels, because they are short on amo.
 
STS said:
difficult to defeat an army with zero respect for human life
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This is why Poland, Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania have been so generous to help out Ukraine. They realize they could be next and depending on US politics, they may be on their own.

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JimG said:
This is why Poland, Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania have been so generous to help out Ukraine. They realize they could be next and depending on US politics, they may be on their own.

r
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Yeah that is nuts/sad...I spent a summer in western Ukraine and where still several "villages" (if that is the right word) that were still shelled out from WWII...I was there the summer of 1994. I can't imagine the angst living in former Soviet bloc nations....I also on that trip saw the warsaw ghetto where they rounded up all the jews for trips to concentration camps...guess I was naive thinking that this type of bullshit was over
 
uk.news.yahoo.com

Starlink, drones and Russian failings: Seven things China has learned from Ukraine invasion

Starlink, drones and Russian failings: Seven things China has learned from Ukraine invasion
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While the Chinese military is the world’s largest, with more than two million soldiers serving in the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), it remains largely untested – its last major war was a failed invasion of Vietnam in 1979 that lasted less than four weeks.
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Under Mr Xi, however, the PLA has undergone dramatic modernisation, in recent years testing hypersonic missiles and conducting increasingly complex military drills in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait, corners of the world that Beijing claims as its own territory.
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So rapid is the pace of China’s military modernisation, in fact, that US military officials have warned that China could soon surpass the US in some areas, including even in naval power – an area where Washington has been unchallenged since the Second World War.
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Military historians would say China has become much like the old Imperial Japanese empire was in the decades leading up to WW2.
 
JimG said:
This is why Poland, Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania have been so generous to help out Ukraine. They realize they could be next and depending on US politics, they may be on their own.

r
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The high ground has always been the most valuable in ground combat and certainly more so in urban warfare, especially given the accuracy of modern anti-tank weapons.

If some soldier is in an apartment building with anti-tank missiles killing your fellow soldiers, you don't wait to take him out after he rides the elevator down and leaves the building. The enemy has to be neutralized at the point of attack to save lives.

That's some of the context missing in the damage pics in this war, but it's also the result of indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians, too.

The urban warfare images are very similar to what we used to see in Syria for a long time during Assad's war with his enemies over there.
 

MSN

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Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group of Russian mercenaries, on Thursday said he has been cut off from all Russian government communication channels.

In a message posted on his Telegram channel, Prigozhin claimed he had been blocked by the Kremlin due to his public appeals for his Wagner troops to be provided with more ammunition.

The Wagner Group emerged as a major factor in the war in Ukraine in the later months of 2022, and Prigozhin has received considerable news coverage for his alleged brutal tactics and his recruitment of convicts from prisons. At the moment, Wagner is said to be heavily involved in the battle for the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, which has been ongoing for months. Prigozhin in recent weeks has made multiple public pleas for Russia's formal military to provide his men with more ammunition to continue the assault on Bakhmut.
 
Spur's Addiction said:

MSN

www.msn.com

Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group of Russian mercenaries, on Thursday said he has been cut off from all Russian government communication channels.

In a message posted on his Telegram channel, Prigozhin claimed he had been blocked by the Kremlin due to his public appeals for his Wagner troops to be provided with more ammunition.

The Wagner Group emerged as a major factor in the war in Ukraine in the later months of 2022, and Prigozhin has received considerable news coverage for his alleged brutal tactics and his recruitment of convicts from prisons. At the moment, Wagner is said to be heavily involved in the battle for the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, which has been ongoing for months. Prigozhin in recent weeks has made multiple public pleas for Russia's formal military to provide his men with more ammunition to continue the assault on Bakhmut.
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Putin seems to have had his share of ulterior motives for doing thing over the years.

It makes you wonder if he has perceived the leaders of the Wagner group as a threat to overthrow him in recent years and the maybe the Ukraine war is Putin's way of thinning them out before eliminating them.
 
So apparently a U.S. drone just collided with a Russian jet over the Black Sea...hopefully cool heads will prevail.
 
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