FurmanCock
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So we are approaching the one year anniversary on this war with no end in sight.
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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
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There is obviously a political component to this discussion, but this is more world history than politics to me at this point.
Let's continue to keep politics out of this thread.
Let's continue to keep politics out of this thread.
While I despise Russia in general and Putin in particular I can't help but wonder how much more money we're going to give them? I mean damn...how about our problems/issues?Biden makes a surprise visit to Kiev.
US warned Russia of Biden's visit to Ukraine 'hours' before departure
The U.S. warned Russia that President Biden was visiting Ukraine hours before he departed for the trip, the White House revealed Monday.www.foxnews.com
While I do not agree with some of his politics, I do absolutely respect and admire Dark Brandon's courage.
Stuff's getting ready to happen over there in a bit, me thinks.
Oh, well. It is it what it is because Putin, unless there is a drastic shift in his plans, will be the one that chooses to make it that way.
We have a choice?
At this point probably not.
We back down....what happens? Taiwan is next?
The only choice we ever had was some kind of deterrence, but that's water under the bridge.
Effn russians....at least we had a few decades of relative peace.
I don't have a problem with helping them militarily per se, what I have a problem with is reading that some of the money we send them is being used to bolster their version of social security, paying Government salaries etc.We back down....what happens? Taiwan is next?
The only choice we ever had was some kind of deterrence, but that's water under the bridge.
Effn russians....at least we had a few decades of relative peace.
That's hard to swallow when our own pension system is said to be insolvent in 9 years.
I think that's where we seem up against the similar problem of being the lone ranger against Saddam leading up to Desert Shield.
From regional standpoint, that was obviously not a NATO jurisdictional matter, so Bush 41 had to form a "coalition of the willing" to stop Saddam and eventually achieve peace.
The Ukraine conflict would seem to be in NATO's area of responsibility, but Russian oil that wasn't there during the Cold War has complicated things.
The other question is are we going to fund a type of Marshall Plan for the rebuild of certain parts Ukraine? If so, are we going to do that essentially alone?
There are more questions than answers at this point.
The US will contribute the largest amounts, but if you google it, most European countries have already donated $$ towards rebuilding and are planning on more.
Japan has donated as well.
This is another phase of the huge miscalculation by Russia. They likely never expected the volume of international support for Ukraine.
Russia has basically effed themselves at every turn. Hard to imagine someone screwing up worse than this.
Ukraine war: US estimates 200,000 military casualties on all sides
The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official on the months-long conflict.
www.bbc.com
It's just mindless crap to me and it all stems from Putin (or so we think) up to this point.
This thread has been treading a fine line with politics for over a year. Let's keep it that way and not veer it off the rails.
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Wagner chief accuses Russia's military leaders of 'treason'
The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary outfit on Tuesday accused Moscow's military chiefs of refusing to supply the group with munitions and seeking to destroy it, saying this amounted to "treason".
www.france24.com
It seems to me that stuff like this is happening because most Russian military commanders don't believe in what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
Well the 1 year anniversary has come and gone without the extensive fireworks many pundits were expecting. Theories as to why it didn't happen range from a shortage of munitions to not wanting to (in Putin's view) highlight their inability to defeat Ukraine.
Unfortunately this folly seems likely to continue until Putin leaves office by whatever means. IMO Ukraine must prevail, dictators rarely stop after they conquer their present conquest.
Unfortunately this folly seems likely to continue until Putin leaves office by whatever means. IMO Ukraine must prevail, dictators rarely stop after they conquer their present conquest.
Ukraine is one of those places where an offensive has a weather window. Parts of the year, the ground turns into the "Rasputitsa", which is a horrible time to attempt an armored assault. Late spring/early summer is when the fireworks should start again. Stay tuned.
Mud from the spring thaw. Compare that to the record cold in 1944 when the Germans launched the Battle of the Bulge offensive in the Ardennes with snow all over the place.
Mud makes a huge difference.
Allies ran into similar mud after the freeze subsided. Even Patton was stopped from advancing.
I get that but if you're Ukraine why should attacking Russian assets be off limits?
I think it rallies the Russian people behind Putin if they do that...
I sat down with a Russian/Ukranian family yesterday and this war is not near as black and white as it is portrayed according to them.