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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
- Thread starter Blitzkrieg
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Ukraine has obviously turned into a tough out for Russia to get. That being the case and with casualties somewhere in the 6 figure range why would you attack the US and invoke Article 5 of the NATO agreement?
Exactly. The crewmen for those new (to Ukraine) tanks have to be trained somewhere.
What happens if a Russian warship in the Baltic launches missiles onto their barracks while they are being trained in Germany, Poland or another NATO country?
They can't and they know it. It likely enrages them.
But the same holds for Belarus, where Ukraine cannot attack.
I bet this give the Poles some satisfaction to be a thorn in Russia's side (logistics/training hubs).
SE Ukraine and SW Russia were the killing fields in Hitler's Eastern Front in WW2.
The successful "partisan attacks" behind German lines at the Battle of Kursk were undoubtedly Ukrainians.
3000 German tanks and 5000 Russian ones in that hallmark tank battle in WW2.
The number of "donated" tanks recently pledged to Ukraine:
United States: 30 Abrams tanks
Germany: 14 Leopard tanks
United Kingdom: 14 Challenger 2 tanks
Portugal: 4 Leopard tanks
That's 62 tanks plus what the other smaller countries will pledge; around 100 tanks, maybe.
Russia has larger numbers, obviously, but nowhere near the number of Stalin's Red Army in WW2 or in the later Cold War.
Putin wants to re-assemble the old Soviet Union, but he is relying more on intimidation than overwhelming numbers. Certainly he has a greater number of military assets than Ukraine not more than the U.S. or the larger NATO countries.
Rather than a modern-day Battle of Kursk, it's more likely to be the same old bloody stalemate that we have seen up until this point.
A ridiculous and dumb Russian war.
The successful "partisan attacks" behind German lines at the Battle of Kursk were undoubtedly Ukrainians.
3000 German tanks and 5000 Russian ones in that hallmark tank battle in WW2.
The number of "donated" tanks recently pledged to Ukraine:
United States: 30 Abrams tanks
Germany: 14 Leopard tanks
United Kingdom: 14 Challenger 2 tanks
Portugal: 4 Leopard tanks
That's 62 tanks plus what the other smaller countries will pledge; around 100 tanks, maybe.
Russia has larger numbers, obviously, but nowhere near the number of Stalin's Red Army in WW2 or in the later Cold War.
Putin wants to re-assemble the old Soviet Union, but he is relying more on intimidation than overwhelming numbers. Certainly he has a greater number of military assets than Ukraine not more than the U.S. or the larger NATO countries.
Rather than a modern-day Battle of Kursk, it's more likely to be the same old bloody stalemate that we have seen up until this point.
A ridiculous and dumb Russian war.
FurmanCock
Grand Poohbah
I would hope there is a U.S. submarine shadowing this warship.
There are a lot of vehicles & artillery pieces being donated not your list including over 200 T-72s.
The 50 M2 Bradleys are going to make an immediate difference.
On 6 January 2023, the US announced a new aid package USD$3.75 billion. This is the 29th package and includes:
50 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles with 250,000 rounds of ammunition and 500 BGM-71 TOW missiles;
100 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
55 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles;
138 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
18 155mm self-propelled Howitzers and 18 ammunition support vehicles;
I somehow think we have some sneaky tricks happening as well. This is an old game.
That would be an attack on a NATO country.
Which they can't do. They can't use small nucs either. They've screwed themselves.
Their only hope is to drag this out so long that the west gets tired of it. But the west knows that can't happen.
Meanwhile the Russian economy is slowly draining down to where it will cause more pressure on the outcome.
West to deliver 321 tanks to Ukraine, says diplomat, as North Korea accuses US of 'crossing the red line' | CNN
Western countries will deliver more than 300 tanks to Ukraine, Kyiv's ambassador to France said Friday.
www.cnn.com
It seems like only a third of that number of tanks claimed by the Ukrainian ambassador is out in the open at this point.
Things have gotten kinda murky over there and that has something to do with why I don't have the interest in the conflict like I used to.
Murky. About as clear as mud.
Pretty good article on the complexities involved in sending the tanks to Ukraine.
West to deliver 321 tanks to Ukraine, says diplomat, as North Korea accuses US of 'crossing the red line' | CNN
Western countries will deliver more than 300 tanks to Ukraine, Kyiv's ambassador to France said Friday.
It seems like only a third of that number of tanks claimed by the Ukrainian ambassador is out in the open at this point.
Spain with 53 and Morocco with 99. The two countries on either side of the Straights of Gibraltar. I guess they don't want to be the next ones under Putin's thumb.
Not what you would expect in the context of NATO at all. More of a FIFA response than NATO.
Sad.
Not what you would expect in the context of NATO at all. More of a FIFA response than NATO.
Sad.
A lot of these countries don't have many tanks. The USMC got rid of all of their Abrams. They went to lighter/more mobile fighting vehicles like Strykers/Bradleys.
You can pick off Russian tanks all day long with TOWs mounted on Bradleys. The days of WWII type tank battles are gone.
Also a good way for Spain and Morocco to upgrade their own tanks/weapon systems.
The omnipresent war machines in some countries are going to be working full tilt for some years to come.
FurmanCock
Grand Poohbah
And now there is a push to send fighter jets to Ukraine, F-16's I believe.
At some point, we may be "all-in" in this conflict.
At some point, we may be "all-in" in this conflict.
Logical choice. There are/will be surplus NATO F-16s available in the near future.
Former Wagner commander describes brutality and incompetence on the frontline | CNN
A former Wagner mercenary says the brutality he witnessed in Ukraine ultimately pushed him to defect, in an exclusive CNN interview on Monday.
www.cnn.com
A former Wagner mercenary says the brutality he witnessed in Ukraine ultimately pushed him to defect, in an exclusive CNN interview on Monday.
Wagner fighters were often sent into battle with little direction, and the company’s treatment of reluctant recruits was ruthless, Andrei Medvedev told CNN’s Anderson Cooper from Norway’s capital Oslo, where he is seeking asylum after crossing that country’s arctic border from Russia.
“They would round up those who did not want to fight and shoot them in front of newcomers,” he alleges. “They brought two prisoners who refused to go fight and they shot them in front of everyone and buried them right in the trenches that were dug by the trainees.”
Nazi level barbaric...smhFormer Wagner commander describes brutality and incompetence on the frontline | CNN
A former Wagner mercenary says the brutality he witnessed in Ukraine ultimately pushed him to defect, in an exclusive CNN interview on Monday.
A former Wagner mercenary says the brutality he witnessed in Ukraine ultimately pushed him to defect, in an exclusive CNN interview on Monday.
Wagner fighters were often sent into battle with little direction, and the company’s treatment of reluctant recruits was ruthless, Andrei Medvedev told CNN’s Anderson Cooper from Norway’s capital Oslo, where he is seeking asylum after crossing that country’s arctic border from Russia.
“They would round up those who did not want to fight and shoot them in front of newcomers,” he alleges. “They brought two prisoners who refused to go fight and they shot them in front of everyone and buried them right in the trenches that were dug by the trainees.”