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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

FurmanCock

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This is a war that Russia thought they would win in two weeks; however, to a large extent through U.S. financial support, Ukraine continues to effectively block Russia. Currently in the U.S. there is political discussion as to how much more financial support the U.S. should supply...so why would Russia go out of their way to rile up America and consolidate pro-Ukrainian support in the U.S.? Seems like a stupid move to me.
 

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This is a war that Russia thought they would win in two weeks; however, to a large extent through U.S. financial support, Ukraine continues to effectively block Russia. Currently in the U.S. there is political discussion as to how much more financial support the U.S. should supply...so why would Russia go out of their way to rile up America and consolidate pro-Ukrainian support in the U.S.? Seems like a stupid move to me.
That's a good point. Also with the way the Russians are getting hammered in Ukraine (not to say they can't win) why would they think that war with NATO would go well for them considering how bad it's gone for them to date?
 

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I am curious to see if any NATO powers step up after this escalation...I just read that they are approaching estonia as well and the UK and Germany


it seems ridiculous to pick fights with so many places and so many fronts
 

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I am curious to see if any NATO powers step up after this escalation...I just read that they are approaching estonia as well and the UK and Germany


it seems ridiculous to pick fights with so many places and so many fronts
So Russia claims the drone that went down in the Black sea was too close to their border, yet do the same to other NATO countries
 

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At least it was just a drone and nothing bigger this time.


Aircraft from USS Midway and USS Enterprise repeatedly overflew Soviet military installations in the Kuril Islands during FleetEx '83, resulting in the dismissal or reprimanding of Soviet military officials who had been unable to shoot them down. On the Soviet side, RYAN was expanded. Lastly, there was a heightened alert around the Kamchatka Peninsula at the time KAL 007 was in the vicinity, because of a Soviet missile test at the Kura Missile Test Range that was scheduled for the same day. A United States Air Force Boeing RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft flying in the area was monitoring the missile test off the peninsula.
 
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And don't forget the malaysian airlines flight over Ukraine as well...while a tangent to my post, the netflix documentary on MH380 was fascinating
I remember that so well.
Russians claimed the Ukrainians shot it down. Then a video appeared showing the BUK/SA-11 unit on the back of a flatbed heading back towards Russia, minus one missile.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsbC8yDeGUw
 

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International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Putin for war crimes in Ukraine. Not really enforceable - not like they are going to waltz into the Kremlin and handcuff him. But it prevents him from traveling outside Russia and a few of it's allies.
 

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International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Putin for war crimes in Ukraine. Not really enforceable - not like they are going to waltz into the Kremlin and handcuff him. But it prevents him from traveling outside Russia and a few of it's allies.
They did convict Mladic & Milosevic. Milosevic died before they convicted him but they continued anyway.
Those 2 were butchers in the Yugoslav wars.
 

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They did convict Mladic & Milosevic. Milosevic died before they convicted him but they continued anyway.
Those 2 were butchers in the Yugoslav wars.
I was there for 8 months in 1997 as part of the UN Peace Keeping Force. That place was shot up like crazy. If you would have seen pictures of it you would have thought they were WWII pictures.
 

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Everything I know says Russia has one more push and most think Russia has organized its forces to finish taking the Donbas Region and this will be the tipping point of this war...
 

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Good Lord, how many souls is Putin willing to have killed? smh
They're trying to grind away at the Ukrainian forces so the UA/ZSU can't go on the counter-offensive. Ugly, but it may be effective.
Russia likely knows they don't have the reserves to stop a full on armored assault (assuming the UA/ZSU can execute such a thing).
It takes a lot of precise battlefield movements/comms to execute what the UA/ZSU needs to do. God bless Ukraine!
 

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They're trying to grind away at the Ukrainian forces so the UA/ZSU can't go on the counter-offensive. Ugly, but it may be effective.
Russia likely knows they don't have the reserves to stop a full on armored assault (assuming the UA/ZSU can execute such a thing).
It takes a lot of precise battlefield movements/comms to execute what the UA/ZSU needs to do. God bless Ukraine!
Yep it takes a lot of realistic training to pull it off. The 3 main battle principles we trained on were move, shoot and communicate.
 
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