I think most did not trust Ukraine and the corruption, I hope Zelensky is not a paper tiger...
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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
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A lot has changed in Germany in the past 15 months. They have now become one of the largest contributors of support to Ukraine, after initially dragging their feet. They are the ones who supplied the Patriot missile units.
Russia has had a lot of influence on Germany and there is a lot of pro-Russian voices there, but something definitely has changed. Sanctions and moving away from Russian fossile fuels has been huge.
My bet is all the destruction in Ukraine has made an impact.
Also noteworthy, that in spite of being right leaning, the PM of Italy is adamant in supporting Ukraine. Interesting times.
Russia "could" end this today...if they wanted to.
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Leader of cross-border raid warns Russia to expect more incursions
The Russian commander of a militia that conducted a raid on a Russian border region this week said on Wednesday his group would soon launch more incursions into Russian territory.
www.reuters.com
Ukraine set to get F-16 fighter jets; Russian mercenaries pull out of Bakhmut
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow wants to work with other countries to achieve a fair world order as Russia's invasion of Ukraine continues.
www.cnbc.com
Exactly - Can't blame Ukraine for defendingt heir homeland from an invading Army. It's up to Russia to end this. Declare a ceasefire and pull all your troops out of occupied areas in Ukraine. Though we all know that won't happen, at least not any time soon.
Well Putin stated he would talk, sit down.. imagine if we had the sane attitude with Korea... You guys are smarter than that but we will sit back and pay for senseless deaths without even trying diplomacy and blame, BRILLUANT!! We should have this attitude with all nations and regimes, pick a side, draw a line in the sand and thats it, our way or we just send weapons to watch folks die until you see it our way.
Yeah Hitler was willing to sit down and talk as well. As with Hitler Putin's word would mean nothing.
So in 2014 and after we used Diplomacy, what changed? Is Putin gassing a race of people, no Diplomacy with Hitler led to what? Historians have written many books on Churchill deciding to not sit down with Hitler, in no way am I going to defend Hitler, Germany, Russia, Putin as if we have to pick a side, as if it is black and white, i choose America, land of the free, home of the brave, Red, White and Blue but again just a few years ago that made me... Is Peace what we want, are we all looking for the same thing? I go back to Zelensky's campaign, "During his presidential campaign, Zelenskyy promised to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia?" but maybe Ukraine is Putins Poland if he is Hitler!
History repeats itself, you guys are 100's times smarter than I, tell me I'm crazy and fighting is the way forward...we can't turn back the clock, move forward!
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History is full of examples of dictators entering into diplomatic talks, agreeing to all sorts of things and then breaking their word/promise when the time and situation suits them.
Again, whatever corruption/problems Ukraine has isn't the point here. Russia attacked them. Russia seeks to occupy the entire country. Russia is the aggressor here. Ukraine has ever right to defend their country.
There is no reason to believe that Putin will stop if he takes Ukraine.
What does history tell us about the regimes the US props up to fight atrocities like this, in this way? I would site the dictators we put in power but you know history...
If we had wanted Ukraine to not be taken by Russia we could have not taken there nukes but the corruption in Ukraine is not the point...
NATO is pouring in money to Ukraine because we worry they might attack NATO countries IF they gain control of Ukraine but NATO will not send soldiers because then NATO would be involved...
So what has Russia done since Putin was in charge that makes us believe this, did we not think this in 2014 but we're told Russia is not our enemy, the 90's called and want there foreign policy back... what changed?
So history says we tried Diplomacy first, what changed?
Ukraine has squeezed out of the US-Patriot missile system a capability that the Pentagon did not think possible, military analyst says
Ukraine has claimed to have used US-made Patriot missile systems to down several "unstoppable" Russian hypersonic Kinzhal missiles.
www.businessinsider.com
View: https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1662378846522417154
Sh!t gonna get nasty and it's about time.
Sh!t gonna get nasty and it's about time.
Ummm - he sent his army to invade a neighboring country, and started the largest land war in Europe since WWII.
Yeah, Crimea and Georgia didn't happen... you're right... So what changed?
And we haven't invaded any countries either...Iraq, Afghanistan... So what changed?
Minsk agreements - Wikipedia
The Franco-German plan, drawn up after talks with Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko and Russian president Vladimir Putin, was seen as a revival of the Minsk Protocol. President Hollande said that the plan was the "last chance" for resolution of the conflict.[30][31] The plan was put forth in response to American proposals to send armaments to the Ukrainian government, something that Chancellor Merkel said would only result in a worsening of the crisis.[30][32]
A summit to discuss the implementation of the Franco-German diplomatic plan was scheduled for 11 February at the Independence Palace in Minsk, the capital of Belarus. It was attended by Russian president Vladimir Putin, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, German chancellor Angela Merkel, French president François Hollande, DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko, and LPR leader Igor Plotnitsky. Negotiations went on overnight for sixteen hours, and were said to have been "very difficult" by the German foreign minister.[33][34]
Have you ever been to any of the old USSR countries, they would not agree with that statement... the yougoslav wars- Bosnia, Croatia... but some think Jan 6 was an Insurrection so God Bless!
I've been to both Bosnia and Croatia as well as Hungary, spent nearly 9 months there as part of the NATO peace keeping force in 1997. I'm not sure what point you're going for here but my experience was that the locals in all 3 countries absolutely despised the Russians.
Did you read the post I responded to, the largest land war in Europe since WWII part specifically, no point! I've been to all of the above, throw in Albania, Macedonia, Romania, Ukraine... well anyway I spoke with many Russian sympathizers for the "old way" as i managed local contractors and worked side by side with local engineers... I was in Albania during there first election but I'm just a dumb hick that watched them riot from the roof of the Embassy because all of them agreed
but that is not what I was speaking on! It would be niave to think everyone that got out from under Russia wanted too...real naive! I admit to be being very naive 
before 2005...still find it strange, we use to call it the Stockholm Syndrom...Did the US ever send aid to Hitler? If yes why?
They are talking about getting rid of the Putin regime on Russian TV...
news.yahoo.com
Ukraine prepares 'for a new phase of the war' as counteroffensive appears imminent
KYIV, Ukraine — Ukraine has entered “a new phase of the war,” a senior adviser to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Saturday as speculation about its long-anticipated counteroffensive ratcheted up.