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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
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The fighting spirit of the Ukraine forces seems very similar to that of the Polish RAF squadron in the old Battle of Britain movie.
Probably a better job of storytelling in recent years, though.
The Ukraine survival story seems very similar to that of England during the Battle of Britain.
Maybe, more specifically, the Polish fighters whose country had already been lost to the Germans at that point.
Probably a better job of storytelling in recent years, though.
The Ukraine survival story seems very similar to that of England during the Battle of Britain.
Maybe, more specifically, the Polish fighters whose country had already been lost to the Germans at that point.
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It's shame the worlds biggest plane was destroyed. And the Iroany is that it was a Soviet era plane that was destroyed by the Russians. I did not know it was stationed in Ukraine.Air-Crane Gypsy Lady arriving at Sydney on an An-124 in 2020. Chris Matei photo. October, 2020. (below)
World's largest airplane reportedly destroyed in Ukraine - Fire Aviation
It was the only Antonov An-225 builtfireaviation.com
But having said that, the loss of civilian life (or military life for that matter) is way worse then losing an iconic airplane.
A woman is being hailed on social media after she confronted a heavily armed Russian soldier and offered him sunflower seeds – so that flowers would grow if he died there on Ukraine’s soil. 'You’re occupants, you’re fascists,' she shouts, standing about a metre from the soldier.
'Take these seeds and put them in your pockets so at least sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here'
View: https://youtu.be/PJJ8zmcBH2A
'Take these seeds and put them in your pockets so at least sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here'
I heard where someone stopped to offer assistance to a Russian tank crew that had run out of diesel fuel.
They told them, "I will tow you back to Russia." The tank crew laughed.
I also heard Barry McCaffrey say he thought the delays were happening because most Russian soldiers didn't really want to do what they're being ordered to do.
They told them, "I will tow you back to Russia." The tank crew laughed.
I also heard Barry McCaffrey say he thought the delays were happening because most Russian soldiers didn't really want to do what they're being ordered to do.
You have to wonder if armed drones and social media will be the two key weapons in this conflict.
Instead of Clone Wars, Drone Wars perhaps?
Ukraine credits Turkish drones with eviscerating Russian tanks and armor in their first use in a major conflict
The Turkish-made Bayraktar drone has become a celebrated part of Ukraine's war effort, with top commanders sharing videos of strikes on Russian armor.
Yes! Zelensky has mastered it!
Those drones can also be used to send GPS targeting info to other assets & no one can tell for sure who is operating them.
Russia has pissed off a lot of people.
Most of the world is pulling for Ukraine.
Interview with Gen. Petraeus. Says Russians are performing badly and Ukrainians are performing remarkedly.
Not going good for Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/opinions/putin-self-defeating-strategy-ghitis/index.html
Not going good for Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/opinions/putin-self-defeating-strategy-ghitis/index.html
Putin is still stuck in a 1980s-90s KGB world mentally.
If we sold Ukraine a bunch of drones, no one would really know or care who the pilots on the ground were if they did their jobs. Using our pilots could fall under the realm of training/technical assistance with something like that.
Putin's success in previous endeavors has come at a price to other nations and their leaders.
I think everyone's eyes are wide open to the tactics in play during this conflict. No political risk of pilots as POWs with drones.
European leaders learned the value of standardized railroad rail gauges from our own Civil War history and applied those lessons in WW1 and WW2 to transport military assets quicker and more effectively.
I'm more and more convinced this is going to end badly for the Russians. Getting pulled into a protracted street fighting insurgency is not what they want.
They do not have the force levels to sustain an occupying force in light of the willingness of the Ukrainians to fight it out via urban warfare.
Some key links:
Twitter....verified:
Turk drones:
Ukraine Says It Used Turkish-Made Drones to Hit Russian Targets
Ukraine’s air force confirmed two strikes on Russian targets by Turkish-made drones, evidence that Kyiv is using the drones effectively against Moscow’s invading forces. The chief of Ukraine’s air force, Lt. Gen. Mykola Oleshchuk, called the Bayraktar TB2 drones “life-giving” in a Facebook post. A
Long article on flawed Russian tactics and details of use of drones:
Why the first few days of war in Ukraine went badly for Russia
Russia banked on Kyiv falling quickly. Here’s why it hasn’t.
www.vox.com
CNN article on force levels:
If the past is anything to go by, Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine | CNN
Ukraine's resistance to the Russian invasion has shown strength that has surprised many observers, but one international expert points out how historical precedent bodes poorly for Moscow's forces in the long term should it be unable to subdue the country quickly.
www.cnn.com
Great interview with Gen. Petraeus:
Also the high casualties will eventually work against Russian leadership as well.
www.abc.net.au
Realistically, verification of casualty figures on both sides will be hard for different reasons, too, but Russia has more to lose politically than Ukraine right now since Russia is the aggressor.
Photos from Ukraine show devastating impact of Russian invasion
The effects of Russia's invasion of Ukraine are becoming increasingly clear.
www.abc.net.au
Realistically, verification of casualty figures on both sides will be hard for different reasons, too, but Russia has more to lose politically than Ukraine right now since Russia is the aggressor.
Here's a really cool video history lesson about the railway gauge thing I mentioned in a previous post.
The 1886 rail gauge changeover in the South happened so quickly that it's rarely mentioned in U.S. History books.
Put that in the context of the currently clogged Russian supply convoys and you can see a parallel between the two very different historical periods.
The 1886 rail gauge changeover in the South happened so quickly that it's rarely mentioned in U.S. History books.
Put that in the context of the currently clogged Russian supply convoys and you can see a parallel between the two very different historical periods.
This is what would happen if US air power was involved. But we would likely be starting WWIII.
Correct. Then we would become the enemy in the eyes of the Russian people whose loved ones are in Ukraine instead of the Ukrainians themselves.This is what would happen if US air power was involved. But we would likely be starting WWIII.
That is probably what Putin is hoping will happen, too. That's why you pump assets into Ukraine so the Ukrainians can do it themselves at the same time NATO countries are taking steps to increase their own security.
Yeah the longer this goes on, the worse it gets for Russia. Of course, the more Ukraine gets destroyed as well. I think Putin was planning for a quick strike. Take out the leadership and install a puppet regime. That did not happen. But I can't see Putin tucking his tail to retreat. He will ramp up the bombing and pressure until Ukraine caves, destroying everything if needed.I'm more and more convinced this is going to end badly for the Russians. Getting pulled into a protracted street fighting insurgency is not what they want.
They do not have the force levels to sustain an occupying force in light of the willingness of the Ukrainians to fight it out via urban warfare.
Some key links:
Twitter....verified:
Turk drones:
Ukraine Says It Used Turkish-Made Drones to Hit Russian Targets
Ukraine’s air force confirmed two strikes on Russian targets by Turkish-made drones, evidence that Kyiv is using the drones effectively against Moscow’s invading forces. The chief of Ukraine’s air force, Lt. Gen. Mykola Oleshchuk, called the Bayraktar TB2 drones “life-giving” in a Facebook post. Awww.wsj.com
Long article on flawed Russian tactics and details of use of drones:
Why the first few days of war in Ukraine went badly for Russia
Russia banked on Kyiv falling quickly. Here’s why it hasn’t.
CNN article on force levels:
If the past is anything to go by, Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine | CNN
Ukraine's resistance to the Russian invasion has shown strength that has surprised many observers, but one international expert points out how historical precedent bodes poorly for Moscow's forces in the long term should it be unable to subdue the country quickly.
Great interview with Gen. Petraeus:
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...but they won't. Ukraine is about the same size as TX. The western side of it borders on Poland & is a great place to provide support to the insurgency.
The Ukrainians can drag this out into another Afghanistan for RU with full support from the EU and the US.
But sadly.....the country will be left in ruins.
while I don't know if it is the same as what you mentioned, in the summer of 1994, I lived in Lviv, Ukraine as part of a Rotary exchange...we flew in through Warsaw and took a train to Lviv...when we hit the Polish/Ukranian border they jacked up each railway car and rolled out the wheels for the gague of track in Poland and from other direction rolled in the wheels for the gauge of the track in Ukraine