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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

STS said:
while I don't know if it is the same as what you mentioned, in the summer of 1994, I lived in Lviv, Ukraine as part of a Rotary exchange...we flew in through Warsaw and took a train to Lviv...when we hit the Polish/Ukranian border they jacked up each railway car and rolled out the wheels for the gague of track in Poland and from other direction rolled in the wheels for the gauge of the track in Ukraine
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It's exactly the same.

Fantastic post!
 
Spur's Addiction said:
Yeah the longer this goes on, the worse it gets for Russia. Of course, the more Ukraine gets destroyed as well. I think Putin was planning for a quick strike. Take out the leadership and install a puppet regime. That did not happen. But I can't see Putin tucking his tail to retreat. He will ramp up the bombing and pressure until Ukraine caves, destroying everything if needed.
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My hope is that at the end of all this, Russia's people rise up and Vlad is hanging from a lamp-post in front of St. Basil's where he belongs.
 
Swayin said:
My hope is that at the end of all this, Russia's people rise up and Vlad is hanging from a lamp-post in front of St. Basil's where he belongs.
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On its own, civilians flee war zones out of fear regardless of what side they take.

You have to think that many of the thousands of Ukrainians that have fled and the many more will do so have been loyal to Putin. I would imagine many of those folks will reject him at some point, especially if there is extensive destruction.

All this recent stuff also makes me wonder if the Chernobyl disaster was not the result of intentional sabotage, too. The old USSR was not a very open territory at the time of the disaster, but recent events definitely make one think about such things.
 
kingofnerf said:
....the Chernobyl disaster ....
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Flawed reactor design. The design engineers knew it, but were pressured to look the other way (Soviets doing Soviet things).
Slamming too many rods in at one time could cause an immediate spike in reactions causing a massive explosion.
And that's exactly what they did.
 
They also didn’t have proper containment domes at Chernobyl that we had at three mile island
 
JimG said:
Flawed reactor design. The design engineers knew it, but were pressured to look the other way (Soviets doing Soviet things).
Slamming too many rods in at one time could cause an immediate spike in reactions causing a massive explosion.
And that's exactly what they did.
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If anyone hasn't watched the the HBO mini series Chernobyl, It is fascinating.

I think a number of things contributed, But at the time of the explosion they were running a commissioning test that brought the reactor to it's limits. Supposedly, the guys running the plant did not want to run the test and abort it, but were overruled by burocrats from the Kremlin.
 
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I have vision of a Soviet version of Homer Simpson in my head now. LOL

I remember back in the day when I was in the Navy our mentality was, if given enough time, the Soviet Navy would eventually sink itself.

Inept thugs. Current events suggest things may not have changed that much.
 
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kingofnerf said:
I have vision of a Soviet version of Homer Simpson in my head now. LOL

I remember back in the day when I was in the Navy our mentality was, if given enough time, the Soviet Navy would eventually sink itself.

Inept thugs. Current events suggest things may not have changed that much.
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now that is funny
 
Spur's Addiction said:
If anyone hasn't watched the the HBO mini series Chernobyl, It is fascinating.

I think a number of things contributed, But at the time of the explosion they were running a commissioning test that brought the reactor to it's limits. Supposedly, the guys running the plant did not want to run the test and abort it, but were overruled by burocrats from the Kremlin.
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I was about to say this - one of the best of the best HBO has done.
 
The fallout over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine continues to mount, as UK satellite internet company OneWeb announced Thursday that it would cancel all scheduled launches of its satellites from Russia’s Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.

The company’s announcement came after a series of withdrawals and demands by Dmitry Rogozin, the head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, in response to Western sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Roscosmos had been scheduled to launch OneWeb satellites this week, and Rogozin had demanded the UK government divest from the company before Roscosmos would go through with the launch.

The UK government took a partial ownership position in OneWeb in 2020 following the company’s bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, astronomers are preparing for a collision between a spent rocket section and the Moon expected for some time on Friday. Originally believed to be an old SpaceX rocket booster, some experts now say the rocket section is part of an old Chinese launch vehicle, something China denies.
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Space news - live: Russia refuses to launch internet satellites as moon crash expected imminently

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"I'll see you on the dark side of the moon..."
 
A German-built space telescope making the largest ever map of black holes in the universe has been switched off after Germany halted all science cooperation with Russia to protest that country's invasion of Ukraine.
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Various satellites could be targets of the Russian military as it invades Ukraine, said the head of the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), which operates the nation's fleet of spy satellites. Though he didn't make specific predictions about what measures Russia may take, Scolese noted that the nation already does GPS jamming, according to SpaceNews. He urged operators of both commercial and government satellites to be careful.
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"I would tell everybody that the important thing is to go off and ensure that your systems are secure and that you're watching them very closely, because we know that the Russians are effective cyber actors," Scolese said, according to SpaceNews. "And, again, it's hard to say how far their reach is going to go in order to achieve their objectives. But it's better to be prepared than surprised."
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Ukraine's "IT army" of volunteer hackers announced a new set of targets on Thursday - including the Belarusian railway network and Russia's homegrown satellite-based navigation system, GLONASS.

"We need to mobilise and intensify our efforts as much as possible," a post on the "IT army" Telegram channel said.

The post listed the top priorities targeted by the group, including Belarus' railway, Russian telecom companies, and GLONASS, which is Russia's alternative to the Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite navigation network.

Ukraine has called on its hacker underground to help protect critical infrastructure and conduct cyber spying missions against Russian troops, Reuters previously reported. Kyiv announced the formation of its "IT army" on Saturday.
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Ukraine's 'IT army' targets Belarus railway network, Russian GPS

Ukraine's "IT army" of volunteer hackers announced a new set of targets on Thursday - including the Belarusian railway network and Russia's homegrown satellite-based navigation system, GLONASS. "We need to mobilise and intensify our efforts as much as possible," a post on the "IT army" Telegram...
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It is down right criminal that we're buying oil from Russia when we have plenty. Criminal to the point of treason in my opinion.
 
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Putin likens Western sanctions to war as Russian assault traps Ukrainian civilians

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Western sanctions were akin to war as his forces pressed their assault on Ukraine on Saturday for a 10th day and the IMF warned the conflict would have a "severe impact" on the global economy.
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"As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire," Orlov said on his Telegram channel, citing what he called a threat to world security. He did not give details.

Reuters could not immediately verify the information, including the potential seriousness of any fire.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
www.reuters.com

Putin likens Western sanctions to war as Russian assault traps Ukrainian civilians

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Western sanctions were akin to war as his forces pressed their assault on Ukraine on Saturday for a 10th day and the IMF warned the conflict would have a "severe impact" on the global economy.
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"As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire," Orlov said on his Telegram channel, citing what he called a threat to world security. He did not give details.

Reuters could not immediately verify the information, including the potential seriousness of any fire.
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Stuff like this makes you wonder if Putin intends to simply destroy Ukraine rather than occupy it in order to leverage fear with those nations that oppose him.
 
kingofnerf said:
Stuff like this makes you wonder if Putin intends to simply destroy Ukraine rather than occupy it in order to leverage fear with those nations that oppose him.
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Yeah I tend to agree. He didn’t get the quick victory he wanted. Now he’s just going to level the place so he can declare victory of a country with nothing but rubble.
 
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