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Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

Cockypantherfan said:
What I absolutely do not understand is why can't BMAC call games like he did vs Bama. There was flow, there was creativity, short routes to help Ryan get settled in, took shots down the field.  There was some flow with our play calls, run game was going (especially with the two pulling o-lineman), tried to keep them off balance.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO REPLICATE?? I lose brain cells trying to figure it out.
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It's near impossible to get any rhythm when your QB can't hit a pass. There were plays left on the field Saturday and Hilinski was clearly off. To people saying Muschamp doesn't meddle in the offense, he has admitted as much indirectly several times now. He even said last week he told the offense to keep throwing the ball

 
The buyout is huge so I don't think Champ is going anywhere,  Champ needs to hire an real OC and then get the hell out of the offense all together.  He needs a guy that can understand the flow of the game and trust that guy to call what he calls when he needs to call it.  He needs to get all of the statistical crap that he has memorized about different play calls at different points in the game and let the OC do their job.  He has proven he can get us on track with recruiting, but he needs to get the right people in place and quit micro-managing this thing.  If he wants to coach he can move T-Rob (who seems to be in over his skis) back to coach the secondary, which really needs it and he can be the DC and stay the hell away from the offense.  I am just not sure his personality will allow him to do this and it may spell the end of his head coach career.  

 
The lack of adjustments is really puzzling.  Why are they so afraid to make a major change?  They knew Ryan was a little banged up, and it was clear he wasn't playing very well but they just let him sit there and try instead of giving DJ a chance.  What did we have to lose?  The only way we make a major change is graduation or injury.

JD

 
Cockypantherfan said:
What I absolutely do not understand is why can't BMAC call games like he did vs Bama. There was flow, there was creativity, short routes to help Ryan get settled in, took shots down the field.  There was some flow with our play calls, run game was going (especially with the two pulling o-lineman), tried to keep them off balance.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO REPLICATE?? I lose brain cells trying to figure it out.
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I heard someone on the radio say it's like different people are calling the plays in different games. One coach called the plays against UNC and Mizzou and a different play caller called the plays for the Costal and Bama games. 

 
Mr Ed said:
It takes 6-7 years minimum to build a program.  The 1st 2 recruiting cycles are a crap shoot with taking any good players you can get.  The next 4 years are when you get the players you actually want.  They start becoming seniors in year 6 and that’s when you know what kind of coach you have.

Sadly, most flailing programs don’t have that kind of patience.  And so they continue firing coaches after year 4 and then start the process all over again.  10 years go by and the program still sucks going on their 3rd coach in as many years (hello Tennessee)  If they would only wait till year 6 they might find their patience pays off (hello Kentucky).  

Fans and boosters are a programs worst enemy.  I like an AD that can stand up to the pressure and put his job on the line.  It’s not hard to tell if a coach is going to make it after 4 years and it has nothing to do with wins and losses.  It’s 3 simple things: recruiting rankings/success, player retention and lastly QBs on roster.   

Starting with QBs on roster, that means you have a coach that can get winning QBs on campus.  The most successful coaches do it consistently.  It’s the most important position and it’s why some really good coaches fail.  Next is recruiting rankings and hits and misses.  Top 25 recruiting classes for Power Five conferences is a must, and they gotta pan out.  If you recruit top 25 and then kids cant qualify or they turnout to be duds then it’s no good.  Great programs evaluate well and have a high percentage of “hits”.  Lastly is player retention.  How many players of that top 25 class make it to seniors?  That’s a critical factor in determining success and builds depth and experience.  If you look at the top programs they have these things in place

In my opinion Muschamp checks all of those boxes.  I love our young QB talent and incoming QB talent.  I love his 3rd and 4th recruiting classes with NFL talent on the field (only freshmen and sophomores now).  And I think he is getting a lot of “hits” on good quality guys who will stick around 4 years.  I look at all of the teams around the country with troubled players dealing with suspensions all the time. We hardly have any of that now.  

Of course we are struggling in 2019 with the nations hardest schedule and with a group of seniors and juniors that made up his initial patchwork recruiting classes.  But I like what I see with the young players and I love the 2020 class coming up.   I’m all in on Muschamp through 2022 because that’s when it should come together.  This is based on what I believe are the critical components of success and what I am seeing from Muschamp thus far in an objective, non-emotional way.  If we have patience I think it will work out, but fire him too soon then I’m afraid we will become Tennessee. 
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I agree with you to an extent, but we were told this was the best team he has had, and this has been the worst start to the season, get beat by UK next week under the lights and there had better be MAJOR changes made by Muschamp to prove he is trying. Continuing down this path with no changes would be far worse than scraping a 4 year experiment and starting new. 

 
Sporkgod50 said:
can't stay in a relationship that isn't working because we are scared that we are pretty enough to get someone better.
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Well I doubt we can do better and giving him 2 more years to prove the theory that he shouldn't be coaching here seems prudent

 
Absfract said:
Well I doubt we can do better and giving him 2 more years to prove the theory that he shouldn't be coaching here seems prudent
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I hope that four years of CWM hasn't degraded our university to the point that we can't attract a winning coach, but if it has dear lord I don't want to imagine the damage that will come from year 6. 

 
Lalli25 said:
Assuming everything keeps going on this bipolar trajectory, offensively specific, I don't see how we can bring Muschamp back with BM still as the OC.  Tanner and WM need to go out and get a big time or hot up and comer, OC money be damn.  I don't think it is WM keeping the OC from being good as much as it is the guys he has hired.  They need to go the route that Ok State did a few years back when he wanted an OC.  He went and researched all divisions of football and found a guy who he could bring in and was doing big things and let him do his job. 

We are just running a modified/hybrid Roper offense and it isn't good at anything.  We could be an elite O with Hilinski and young OL and skill talent, but we can't waste this chance to be the O that HS kids want to play in.  We could become the SEC east O that kids want to come play in, if we get the right OC.
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As much as I hate to say anything good about that orange school in the upstate, Dabo has shown he is willing to part ways with coaches to improve the program, and the AD and fans have supported him financially to make those decisions. After they got blasted by WVU in the bowl game, they went out and bought the best DC they could find, and they have paid to keep him there. When people started to figure out the Morris offense, they let him go. Assuming the current trend of mosty sub par offensive performances (with the occasional high point sprinkled in) continues through the season, Muschamp has to make a move, failure to do so, imo should result in his termination. 

 
I think everyone watching that game realized early Hilinski was way off.  They did not adjust the play calls to what they were seeing.  Call some runs and when you have a chance get him to the sideline and see what is going or pull him out and put Joyner in until you can see what is wrong.  I think the K tape was restricting his throwing motion enough to effect his accuracy and once they took it off he threw the ball much better.  

 
Ace Dilcock said:
Sometimes we over-think and over-analyze things. Here is a simpler explanation.

Against UNC (and UVA/Akron before that), Jake was off. Badly. If the QB cannot get the ball to an open receiver, quickly and in rhythm, the Offense will not work.

Hilinski took his place, threw the ball accurately against CSU and Alabama, and suddenly our playcalling and Offense were fine.

He had elbow issues prior to the Mizzou game, could not hit the broad side of a barn, and the Offense sucked again.

So....is it poor play calling, poor Defense, poor O Line play, poor coaching.....or just poor QB play that screws up the Offensive flow, causes short possessions, and leaves the Defense on the field for so long that they get worn down and give up late yardage/points?

And to add further....Hilinski could not connect with Edwards on multiple First Half passes. But the staff drew up a play at halftime that resulted in a 75 yard TD to Edwards on the first play of the Second Half. So the coaching staff actually came up with a good play and Hilinski executed it - but there was not enough of that, before or after that play. 

Boom needs to be quick to pull Hilinski if he is not 100% and his throws are not accurate. Joyner looked good passing the ball against Mizzou and he adds the same wrinkle with the runs that Bryant added to the Mizzou attack.
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he has been overly qb loyal IMO. 

 
Muschamp said he thought we could run the ball better. And had a plan to run. How much of that was due to elbow injury that he hoped we could run the ball? 

I look at Hilinski minus his elbow and that’s a positive. I think Feaster should be good, he came from Clemson. Dowdle I feel is running with new purpose. Edwards is good. TEs are good. Where’s it go wrong? ....coaching 

It has not looked good this year. A loss to UK and god help us all. 

 
TKE226 said:
Muschamp said he thought we could run the ball better. And had a plan to run. How much of that was due to elbow injury that he hoped we could run the ball? 

I look at Hilinski minus his elbow and that’s a positive. I think Feaster should be good, he came from Clemson. Dowdle I feel is running with new purpose. Edwards is good. TEs are good. Where’s it go wrong? ....coaching 

It has not looked good this year. A loss to UK and god help us all. 
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on the positive side, if we only win 1-3 games this year the CWM apologists will be very creative. 

Jokes aside, I really want CWM to turn things around but if Tanner isn't working the back channels now, he needs to be soon. 

 
Sporkgod50 said:
on the positive side, if we only win 1-3 games this year the CWM apologists will be very creative. 

Jokes aside, I really want CWM to turn things around but if Tanner isn't working the back channels now, he needs to be soon. 
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Back channels?  I’ll bet there’s a line of coaches/agents and other go betweens just waiting for a phone call from the ex baseball coach AD from the University of SC.  No confidence in Ray to do that or even be prepared. 

 
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Sporkgod50 said:
on the positive side, if we only win 1-3 games this year the CWM apologists will be very creative. 

Jokes aside, I really want CWM to turn things around but if Tanner isn't working the back channels now, he needs to be soon. 
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Tanner's lack of back channels is what led to our current situation. There is absolutely no reason to expect that a new coaching search would be any different whatsoever. We'd probably end up with Derek Dooley. Might as well board up WB and call it quits.

We are currently in the best situation that RT can provide. 

 
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I'd love to have the HBC back right now.  I'm serious. Look at UNC: Mack Brown. 

As much as some may despise Spurrier, people would show up to watch. He'd win us some games we weren't supposed to win. 

He was heads above the rest of the coaches in the short lived AAF earlier this year. He clearly still had "it". 

 
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gamecock88 said:
Back channels?  I’ll bet there’s a line of coaches/agents and other go betweens just waiting for a phone call from the ex baseball coach AD from the University of SC.  No confidence in Ray to do that or even be prepared. 
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Definitely there's back channels.

 
Sporkgod50 said:
Stopped reading at the point you made it clear you forgot what our last two coaches did. Win at USC. Really the underlying assumption in your position is that USC just can't be that good. It's just my opinion but I think we can be every but as good as Clemson is right now. You don't think we can be as good as Florida. That is exactly the pessimistic attitude that I hoped died with three 11 win seasons. The chicken curse apparently survived.
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You are sound full of it that it is comical!!!  You started calling for a "fire sale" to get rid of Coach Muschamp NOW!!!  All I and everyone else want to know is "what is your magical formula  that you have after firing each football coach after 4 years"???  I gave you mine opinion and what needed to be done.  Give him (Coach Muschamp) two more years and if our program is not where USC and our AD thinks it should be - then do what has to be done.  Plain and simple.

Your solution after "bitching and moaning" (fan's right - for a while anyway) is to JUST FIRE COACH MUSCHAMP after4 years!!!  Which really means you just want to holler and moan - which is your right as a fan - but for how long without some type of logical explanation which you can't explain because you just want to fire Coach Muschamp!!!

 
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