Evaluating Muschamp tenure at the helm so far

[Sporkgod50]

Once again, you are just showing or stating your frustrations as a fan and that's your right, but you offer no clue or pathway to the stars to fix what Coach Muschamp and his staff are trying to do now?  Yes, he might have been our 3rd choice as Herman did nothing but tease us.  Kirby cannot be blamed for wanting to go to GA.  Who would you hire now after you fired this staff?  I just think that he needs 6 years to fix this program or guide it to a higher level.  You want him gone now or you want to complain about losing (which is your right), but please offer to all of us that think 6 years is the right way to go and tell us your master design so that we can fix this program faster?  I am sure that Ray Tanner would love to hear it along with many other programs that are in the same or worst state than our program is now.

you are just showing or stating your blind allegiance to CWM, Mrs. Muschamp. it didn't take either of our last two coaches 6 years to fix the program. Hell, Lou took over a much worse situation all together and had us winning a great bowl in two years. We don't need to give someone who we really didn't like in the first place more time than we'd give our first choice.

No one needs to have a replacement coach in mind to know when something isn't working. Do you apply this same principle when you're in the shower and the hot water suddenly goes away? Just stand there, unwilling to remove yourself from the bad situation before you absolutely have a infallible plan for fixing the shower? Of course not. you get out of the cold water and THEN go look for a solution.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

I totally get everyone's disappointment in not winning games.  It is very easy to bitch and moan about our football program.  But like Mr. Ed stated, we still are one or two years away from getting to a very competitive place in the SEC.  If you have a winning formula for "immediate success", then I and everyone else here would love to hear it as all I hear is "fire Coach Muschamp or Coach Muschamp can't coach"!  Who would you bring in and how long would you give this new coach before you once again "launch a fire the coach post"?  Give it another day or two and it won't be as bad as you see it now and maybe you will then see that Coach Muschamp is doing the best he can do at this part of the season.  In a couple of years if things are not better,  then USC should take a long and hard look at our program and what to do then to fix our problems - if things don't get better.  This season or next is not that time.

It’s been four years and we are REGRESSING. We can’t beat middle of the road teams, let alone compete for the East.

We are playing a true freshman at QB, along with a lot of sophomores and red-shirt freshmen.  The SEC East/West has also gotten a lot better in the last 5 years.  Coach Muschamp has come in and recruited some very good players and is really into his 3 - 1/2 year with recruiting as he was late getting hired here at first.  As I explained earlier, what would you have USC do to fix the problem right now?  I hate losing also, but we are in a lot better position now than when Coach Muschamp took over.  Constant changing/firing of coaches is not the way to go.  I would really love to hear your plan to make it happen now?  It is so easy to complain from your recliner or chair after a bad loss, but please enlighten us all to how you would fix these problems with our football team and turn us into a Super Power over night or maybe in one year?

I don't agree with everything that Coach Muschamp and his staff does, but I do have enough football sense to know that I and many here on this board could not do 1/10th as good.  Let's allow Coach Muschamp and his staff to hopefully get this program turned around and start winning a lot more.

Hilinski isn’t a problem. He’s a really talented QB but was clearly injured yesterday and they still threw him out there. My issue with the coaches is they don’t Gameplan well, have no flow with calls within the game, aren’t creative, and don’t adjust well. We have a lot of talented players but it doesn’t look like they are being coached well.

Once again, you are just showing or stating your frustrations as a fan and that's your right, but you offer no clue or pathway to the stars to fix what Coach Muschamp and his staff are trying to do now?  Yes, he might have been our 3rd choice as Herman did nothing but tease us.  Kirby cannot be blamed for wanting to go to GA.  Who would you hire now after you fired this staff?  I just think that he needs 6 years to fix this program or guide it to a higher level.  You want him gone now or you want to complain about losing (which is your right), but please offer to all of us that think 6 years is the right way to go and tell us your master design so that we can fix this program faster?  I am sure that Ray Tanner would love to hear it along with many other programs that are in the same or worst state than our program is now.

Have to go after one of the up and coming coaches. Make sure to hire good x’s and o’s Coaches and let er rip.

 

[Absfract]

We should definitely jump ship for a legendary coach...  don't see that happening but the door needs to be open.

 

[Sporkgod50]

We should definitely jump ship for a legendary coach...  don't see that happening but the door needs to be open.

can't stay in a relationship that isn't working because we are scared that we are pretty enough to get someone better.

 

[JimG]

I've not followed recruiting very closely, but I'm going to call BS on Muschamp's alleged recruiting prowess. He's recruited a bunch of DBs who can't cover and are regularly getting beat. Horn is the only one I see that may start for another SEC team. 

This flies in the face of "give him time to get his players in". He's had time and it's getting uglier by the week. 

Pass defense is currently allowing 290 yds/game....116th out of 130. 

 

[JimG]

Once again, you are just showing or stating your frustrations as a fan and that's your right, but you offer no clue or pathway to the stars to fix what Coach Muschamp and his staff are trying to do now?  

What they're trying to do now is dust off their resumes in case they need them in the near future. 

 

[MFB]

It was his elbow. You think that quiet ass Missouri crowd affected him The first TD Missouri scored was an absolute garbage  call. The pick 6 from end zone was a bad decision by Ryan.

I have no idea what it was just saying. I think the first td was the right call, just a stupid play you cant make. Shouldn't even be a question, bat it down

 

[Homebrewcock]

I don't know how to quote so I am copy and pasting (BTW, how do you do quote?).
From CockyPantherFan:
Hilinski isn’t a problem. He’s a really talented QB but was clearly injured yesterday and they still threw him out there. My issue with the coaches is they don’t Gameplan well, have no flow with calls within the game, aren’t creative, and don’t adjust well. We have a lot of talented players but it doesn’t look like they are being coached well.

I could not agree more. I don't see any identity on offense or defense. The gameplans are pretty weak and haphazard IMO. I think this staff is mediocre at best. Muschamp has proven he is not a head coach with his time at UF. Why would it be different now? You want to know why the taters are winning natty's and kicking ass? Their coaching staff is amazing. Dabo is the CEO and his coordinators are top notch. I hate them more than any other team, but if we want success, we need way better coordinators. This staff does a poor job with developing talent IMO. I am not saying fire him now, but I am not willing to wait until 2022.

 

[gAmkok]

The way we're trending (downwards), the measure of success in 3 years will realistically be the Independence Bowl. Which is to say, "in 2022, if we don't improve enough to get an invitation to Shreveport, Muschamp should be on the hotseat."

Welcome back to my father's Gamecock football, folks. We're just happy to be here.

 

[Cockypantherfan]

I don't know how to quote so I am copy and pasting (BTW, how do you do quote?). From CockyPantherFan: Hilinski isn’t a problem. He’s a really talented QB but was clearly injured yesterday and they still threw him out there. My issue with the coaches is they don’t Gameplan well, have no flow with calls within the game, aren’t creative, and don’t adjust well. We have a lot of talented players but it doesn’t look like they are being coached well. I could not agree more. I don't see any identity on offense or defense. The gameplans are pretty weak and haphazard IMO. I think this staff is mediocre at best. Muschamp has proven he is not a head coach with his time at UF. Why would it be different now? You want to know why the taters are winning natty's and kicking ass? Their coaching staff is amazing. Dabo is the CEO and his coordinators are top notch. I hate them more than any other team, but if we want success, we need way better coordinators. This staff does a poor job with developing talent IMO. I am not saying fire him now, but I am not willing to wait until 2022.

To quote someone just click the “quote” button at the bottom left of their post. In relation to your post, you are spot on with your assessment. It’s puzzling how bad we are with as much talent as we have on the roster (certainly better than UVA, UNC, Missouri, TN, KY, etc.)

 

[GregoryHouse]

He has to start winning when it counts. He beat a ranked (overrated) Tennessee team in his first year and michigan in a bowl game two years ago...nothing of note since then 

 

[JimG]

The way we're trending (downwards), the measure of success in 3 years will realistically be....

...beating Vandy so we don't finish last in the SEC-E. 

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Lemme ask 2 questions: 

1. If we somehow traded coaches with UCF , UAB, or Army;  do you think their coaches could do better with our current roster than the coaches we currently have? 

2. If your answer to question 1 was anything other than a resounding "no", then why are we paying WM $2-3 mil/yr more than those coaches? 

 

[Senior Rooster]

Caoch MUSCHAMP recently said RYAN"S, Elbow - Bruised Chest - Rolled Ankle are ALL FINE!!!!

 

[Homebrewcock]

To quote someone just click the “quote” button at the bottom left of their post. In relation to your post, you are spot on with your assessment. It’s puzzling how bad we are with as much talent as we have on the roster (certainly better than UVA, UNC, Missouri, TN, KY, etc.)

Thanks.  I thought I tried that but must have done it incorrectly.  I will always support the Gamecocks, win or lose.  I just think this staff is not going to take us anywhere.  I am not expecting CFP or conference championships all the time, but I am tired of mediocre football and coaching. 

 

[Homebrewcock]

And why did Tanner give him an extension last year?  Muschamp has not done anything as a HC.  It's not like he was going to leave and if he did, who cares.

 

[dreammachine]

you are just showing or stating your blind allegiance to CWM, Mrs. Muschamp. it didn't take either of our last two coaches 6 years to fix the program. Hell, Lou took over a much worse situation all together and had us winning a great bowl in two years. We don't need to give someone who we really didn't like in the first place more time than we'd give our first choice.

No one needs to have a replacement coach in mind to know when something isn't working. Do you apply this same principle when you're in the shower and the hot water suddenly goes away? Just stand there, unwilling to remove yourself from the bad situation before you absolutely have a infallible plan for fixing the shower? Of course not. you get out of the cold water and THEN go look for a solution.

No blind allegiance, just plain and simple facts.  I was there when Coach Lou took over and GA was nowhere near the team that they are now.  We did not have MO or Texas A&M either.  You just want a quick fix to a league that is considered the best in football and it ain't gonna happen with firing a coach every four years.  Have you ever been part of putting something together like this staff has to try to do?  Even at a much lower level it would be hard in 4 years - unless you want a "fire sale every 4 years"? 

Your plumbing saga is not a good reply to "why you and other's like you want to fire him without having a good plan in action"?  Please enlighten everyone without spitting out "I just want him gone theory"  and let us all know of your better plan that you seem to have in place?

 

[Mr Ed]

Please explain how we are headed in the right direction when we have beat one ranked team in the past three years and cannot beat mediocre teams. 

Do you believe that it takes 2 recruiting cycles for a new staff to establish itself and start getting the players it wants?  Can you understand how that may be a challenge in year 4 when that first patchwork recruiting class now makes up your senior leadership?  

 

[Mr Ed]

So some of ya'll want to keep Will Muschamp 3 more years so he can set records for the most stupid losses in the history of Gamecock football? 

Seems we have a choice: Be the next UTen or the next Vandy....or maybe both.  

It’s hard to be good when folks are bashing the program, wanting to fire coaches all the time.  It hurts recruiting.  And then the same people are mad when we lose because we don’t have better players. 

 

[Sporkgod50]

No blind allegiance, just plain and simple facts.  I was there when Coach Lou took over and GA was nowhere near the team that they are now.  We did not have MO or Texas A&M either.  You just want a quick fix to a league that is considered the best in football and it ain't gonna happen with firing a coach every four years.  Have you ever been part of putting something together like this staff has to try to do?  Even at a much lower level it would be hard in 4 years - unless you want a "fire sale every 4 years"? 

Your plumbing saga is not a good reply to "why you and other's like you want to fire him without having a good plan in action"?  Please enlighten everyone without spitting out "I just want him gone theory"  and let us all know of your better plan that you seem to have in place?

There is so much wrong with this post, but before I start pointing those things out, I want to say thank you for your allegiance to the coaching staff. It's not a bad thing to be loyal.

Now the problems.

1. I'm afraid you don't know what facts are. By definition, nothing in the future can be a fact (without time travel). As a result, the only pure and simple facts in your reply are that you were there (player, coach, fan? Who knows?) and that Missouri and TAMU were not in the SEC. Everything else is your opinion. Same as it's my opinion that if you give champ 6 years, you've set the team up for longer failure. Unless you are capable of visiting the future, we both are guessing AND you are not staying facts.

2. You seem to miss the most relevant fact in this whole situation. (Please note I'm referring to an actual fact not just my opinion) Florida fired muschamp after 4 years and arguably more success. They fired butter teeth after three years. You may have noticed, they don't suck five years after firing champ. This is the best data point anyone has. 

3. When champ was fired after 4 years at Florida, he thought he had been given enough opportunities and didn't win enough. It's a paraphrased quote, but minimally varying from the actual statement.

4. There it's nothing at all wrong with being a fan of an underperforming team and wanting the coach fired, even if you don't have a succession plan. First off none of us are the person who's job it is to make the hire. Assuming you're not Ray Tanner. Bitching and moaning is complaining when you have the power to make the situation better but don't. As fans, our job isn't too find the next coach. Our job is to voice our opinions as financial and emotional supporters. 

5. Finally, that's not what theory means. Not colloquially. Certainly not scientifically. Not at all really.

6.  Again, from one gamecock to another, I respect your loyalty. I just think it's misplaced.

 

[Sporkgod50]

Do you believe that it takes 2 recruiting cycles for a new staff to establish itself and start getting the players it wants?  Can you understand how that may be a challenge in year 4 when that first patchwork recruiting class now makes up your senior leadership?  

Florida fired two coaches in a row within four years of hiring them. Your timelines are outdated, Mr Ed.