That is what I keep trying to understand ... unless he just expected the world to not care, this is a lose/lose for him regardless of what happens there?
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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
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Homebrewcock
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It really is a crazy / confusing situation. I have read multiple articles about the struggling Russian forces, but then they also state that Putin is not using all of his forces he could be using. So, not really understanding his plan here. I have also see this in multiple articles:
“The Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military,” said Andrei V. Kozyrev, the foreign minister for Russia under Boris Yeltsin, in a post on Twitter. “Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus. But as a military advisor you cannot report that to the President. So they reported lies to him instead. Potemkin military.”
and this:
"But a dissection of the Russian military’s performance so far, compiled from interviews with two dozen U.S., NATO and Ukrainian officials, paints a portrait of young, inexperienced conscripted soldiers who have not been empowered to make on-the-spot decisions, and a noncommissioned officer corps that isn’t allowed to make decisions either. Russia’s military leadership, with Gen. Valery Gerasimov at the top, is far too centralized; lieutenants must ask him for permission even on small matters, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters."
Prayers to Ukraine and their people.
“The Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military,” said Andrei V. Kozyrev, the foreign minister for Russia under Boris Yeltsin, in a post on Twitter. “Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus. But as a military advisor you cannot report that to the President. So they reported lies to him instead. Potemkin military.”
and this:
"But a dissection of the Russian military’s performance so far, compiled from interviews with two dozen U.S., NATO and Ukrainian officials, paints a portrait of young, inexperienced conscripted soldiers who have not been empowered to make on-the-spot decisions, and a noncommissioned officer corps that isn’t allowed to make decisions either. Russia’s military leadership, with Gen. Valery Gerasimov at the top, is far too centralized; lieutenants must ask him for permission even on small matters, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters."
Prayers to Ukraine and their people.
Another top Russian general apparently killed in Ukraine.
www.businessinsider.com
Ukraine says it killed a 2nd top Russian general and released audio of apparent call between 2 FSB agents discussing the death
Maj. Gen. Vitaly Gerasimov, the first deputy commander of Russia's 41st army, was killed in Kharkiv on Monday, Ukraine's defense ministry said.
www.businessinsider.com
Biden announces ban on Russian energy imports
President Joe Biden on Tuesday announced his administration is banning Russian oil, natural gas and coal imports to the US in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, a step he warned could lead to a spike in gas prices at home.
Gonna fill up the car today. Thankful I work close to the house and don't have a long commute anymore.
Yeah, been confused by this as well. On one hand I'm glad to see their disorganization and struggles but on the other I'm very concerned that the maniac in charge gets frustrated and turns to more desperate measures.
Ukraine's president says there's no such thing as 'humanitarian corridors' as Russian shelling kills fleeing civilians over the weekend
A young family was killed on Sunday after Russian shelling showered down on the streets of Irpin, a town northwest of Kyiv.
www.businessinsider.com
Well he sure is not using the Powell Doctrine
Powell Doctrine - Wikipedia
The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States:
- Is a vital national security interest threatened?
- Do we have a clear attainable objective?
- Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
- Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
- Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
- Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
- Is the action supported by the American people?
- Do we have genuine broad international support?[2]
I hear the Russians have offered to open a humanitarian corridor, but into Russia and Belarus. What Ukrainian in their right mind would flee into the arms of it's aggressor?
Ukraine's president says there's no such thing as 'humanitarian corridors' as Russian shelling kills fleeing civilians over the weekend
A young family was killed on Sunday after Russian shelling showered down on the streets of Irpin, a town northwest of Kyiv.
Homebrewcock
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Seems we struggle with #5 lately.
I see Poland is going to transfer MiG fighters to US and then we can supply those to Ukraine (I assume). I would think Putin sees that as an act of war, no? Ukraine desperately needs these planes though.
I see Poland is going to transfer MiG fighters to US and then we can supply those to Ukraine (I assume). I would think Putin sees that as an act of war, no? Ukraine desperately needs these planes though.
I remember a psychology professor at Carolina once talking of a woman in NYC who was assaulted in plain view of folks in the surrounding apartment buildings.
Some kept waiting for that "somebody" person to come to her rescue while others just closed their windows and ignored the assault, which ultimately resulted in the victim's death.
I truly believe that is the leverage Russia is using right now. If NATO lets Russia destroy and enslave Ukraine, the next time it will be a solitary NATO country that's invaded while the group continues to make excuses not to do the right thing and stop it.
This is how authoritarian thugs around the world still do it. Putin has watched Europe absorb Syrian refugees by the thousands and believes Europe will just look the other way and do it again this time.
This is exactly how Hitler did it back in the day and it's just very damn depressing to me.
Some kept waiting for that "somebody" person to come to her rescue while others just closed their windows and ignored the assault, which ultimately resulted in the victim's death.
I truly believe that is the leverage Russia is using right now. If NATO lets Russia destroy and enslave Ukraine, the next time it will be a solitary NATO country that's invaded while the group continues to make excuses not to do the right thing and stop it.
This is how authoritarian thugs around the world still do it. Putin has watched Europe absorb Syrian refugees by the thousands and believes Europe will just look the other way and do it again this time.
This is exactly how Hitler did it back in the day and it's just very damn depressing to me.
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Not sure why the Poles need to send their planes to the US and get us directly involved. They are the ones with some expertise on MiG-29s & Su-25s.
Our weapons don't even work on those planes.
Not really. The Wehrmacht numbered in the millions in 1940...Putin's forces are less than 200K in Ukraine.
Putin doesn't have the forces to occupy all of Ukraine for an extended time....which means a long insurgency is almost assured (Afghanistan).
The Ukrainians are up for that fight & the intel/logistic support from the west is unprecedented.
Yeah - also considering that Poland directly borders Ukraine. Makes no sense. They could have brought some Ukraine Pilots over and handed them the keys to fly them into Ukraine. No delivery needed via US. And no one would have ever needed to know.
But Poland is NATO as well. Seems they could just sell them to the Ukrainians as some kind of arms sale.
They also need weapons....especially air-air missiles if they want to shoot down Russian planes.
We need to get our hands on some of the newer Russian armor that has been abandoned after running out of fuel.
Most likely to wargame against to get our pilots acclimated to flying against the real thing.