Trump was able to have talks with Korea as well as Russia. For some reason, all the media is focused on is the connection with Russia. Why can't people see that Biden doesn't seem to want to be a 'peacemaker'
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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?
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I think he would like to have American boots on the ground and coming here stokes the fire between us and Russia. I do not think we need to go that far and question the $$ on the aid we are providing and what it is actually being spent on. There needs to be accountability for that money, but I won’t get into the weeds on that as that will take this thread into a whole other conversation.
There have already been American boots as volunteers. I actually (if I was younger) would volunteer if I really thought I could help. Unfortunately, the current climate PLUS both sides committing war crimes makes it hard to support anything going on. That is something that is besides the $$$ involved.
Has anybody asked the question why this is stretching out almost like the past clashes? Afghanistan and Russia 40 years ago parallels the same thing that happened to us a decade or so later. Stretching out bloated wars, destroying entire countries, or is it deliberate to enable the grifters?
Can we ask if we are backing one dictator over another? Zelensky is portrayed as a hero but may have suppressed freedom of the press, arrested political parties that oppose him, shut down churches for not practicing religion correctly according to reports... is there truth to these reports 
While that may be true, this is a case in which a country is invading a neighboring sovereign country...while there may be two bad guys, I have far more sympathy for the people of the UkraineCan we ask if we are backing one dictator over another? Zelensky is portrayed as a hero but may have suppressed freedom of the press, arrested political parties that oppose him, shut down churches for not practicing religion correctly according to reports... is there truth to these reports
It is in my nature to be curious of those the media have ordained as a heroCan we ask if we are backing one dictator over another? Zelensky is portrayed as a hero but may have suppressed freedom of the press, arrested political parties that oppose him, shut down churches for not practicing religion correctly according to reports... is there truth to these reports
None of this would be happening if a competent leader was in the White HouseThe lesser of 2 evils is noticeably lesser. Western democracies are getting a refresher on why there was a cold war 30+ yrs ago.
None of this would be happening if one particular belligerent just stayed home, but some people can't help themselves. It's in their nature.
Has nothing to do with US politics and you've been warned repeatedly about posts that are political.
Did you have sympathy for Ukrainians before this act of aggression? Do you think there are Russian sympathizers or supporters living in the Border zones of Ukraine that Zelensky and his supporters wanted to weed out or were discriminated against as Russia has claimed, do you think there is any truth at all to this claim or it is pure propaganda?The lesser of 2 evils is noticeably lesser. Western democracies are getting a refresher on why there was a cold war 30+ yrs ago.
None of this would be happening if one particular belligerent just stayed home, but some people can't help themselves. It's in their nature.
Do you think media telling the world Ukraine is kicking Russias ass while simultaneously complaining when Russia bombs them is conducive to ending this conflict? Do you think Ukraine is corrupt at all, do you trust them with Billions of dollars and weapons paid for by you and your fellow Americans with little to no oversight? Do you believe Ukraine had bio weapon labs or that was all propaganda as reported?
Interesting articles below, think about this, in 1994 Ukraine had the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world before agreeing to hand it over to Russia...
Eventually it's going to get to a point where only NATO/U.S. forces need to be operating any weapons more sophisticated than the ones given to the UAF so far for security purposes. We just don't need our best weapons that close to Russia without good reason.
The longer this drags out, the more likely Ukraine is to launch a counter-invasion to force the Russians to withdraw.
I honestly thought there would have been a pull-out/cease fire by now.
I still don't understand the purpose of the Russian invasion, either. The level of human suffering for apparently no reason does not make sense to me.
The longer this drags out, the more likely Ukraine is to launch a counter-invasion to force the Russians to withdraw.
I honestly thought there would have been a pull-out/cease fire by now.
I still don't understand the purpose of the Russian invasion, either. The level of human suffering for apparently no reason does not make sense to me.
Sounds like they should have kept them. Putin probably would not have invaded. Of course, that's 30 years of 'what-ifs'. so who knows how the world would be different today.1994 Ukraine had the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world before agreeing to hand it over to Russia...
Lots of question marks about those numbers....total KIA? Total KIA + WIA?
Also a lot of those are not RA, but contractor/conscripts/prisoners, etc. I've read some twitter reports of human wave attacks.
While some of them might not be Russian they are (were) being paid by Russia as well as supplied and equipped by Russia so it's costing them money.Lots of question marks about those numbers....total KIA? Total KIA + WIA?
Also a lot of those are not RA, but contractor/conscripts/prisoners, etc. I've read some twitter reports of human wave attacks.
Also the more casualties these mercenaries take the harder it becomes for Russia to recruit more of them.
The Wagner group has been flooding the front lines with prisoners. It is a real WWI style meat grinder.
Check pic below. It is from the past few days. From an area around Bakhmut. Those are not Ukrainians. I will delete it if anyone finds it offensive.
Ukraine war: Germany yet to make decision on sending tanks
Berlin denies it is preventing countries from donating Leopard 2s, but Poland criticises its "hesitation".
www.bbc.com
The war is at a very significant tipping point right now.
NATO needs to either go all-in or get the hell out so the bloodshed will stop.
The only thing I will say is that Putin is going to remember the countries listed above that are providing weapons in this war if there is not a cease-fire and Russian withdrawal pretty soon. At some point, providing the weapons and training the Ukrainians to use them is the same thing as actually using the weapons against Russia ourselves.
Cease-fire and Russian withdrawal honoring the pre-invasion borders is the only way to avoid the escalation in violence that may be coming sooner than we want ourselves to think.
So why is it that Russia gets to decide what's OK to use or not use in this war? If they don't want to face Western armor/weapons systems they can always go back to Russia and leave Ukraine alone.Ukraine war: Germany yet to make decision on sending tanks
Berlin denies it is preventing countries from donating Leopard 2s, but Poland criticises its "hesitation".
The war is at a very significant tipping point right now.
NATO needs to either go all-in or get the hell out so the bloodshed will stop.
The only thing I will say is that Putin is going to remember the countries listed above that are providing weapons in this war if there is not a cease-fire and Russian withdrawal pretty soon. At some point, providing the weapons and training the Ukrainians to use them is the same thing as actually using the weapons against Russia ourselves.
Cease-fire and Russian withdrawal honoring the pre-invasion borders is the only way to avoid the escalation in violence that may be coming sooner than we want ourselves to think.