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What should our response be if Russia invades Ukraine?

The German navy preparing to flex its muscles in the Taiwan Strait.

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Germany views the passage as a routine operation. They reportedly will not notify China of the transit, which reflects Berlin’s position that the passage is part of regular naval movements. Germany is not alone in navigating the strait, as other nations like the United States, Canada, and Australia frequently send ships through the waters.
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You would have to go back to before WW2 to here the phrase "Berlin's position" in any major news report.

Germany can either spend money supporting a half-cocked "forever war" or it can spend money to strengthen Germany so it can flex it's own muscles around the world.

An alternative no one has really thought about until the recent German election results of a victorious conservative party.
 

The New York Times reported, citing European officials, that the United States looks set to approve the use by Ukraine of long range missiles against targets in Russia on the condition that the weapons were not those provided by the United States.
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Putin could launch on the UK if Ukraine starts using those long-range Storm Shadow missiles against targets inside Russia.

Not really a good sign. Would the hair-splitting reason Russia launches against the UK really matter when the bodies pile up after a certain point?
 
kingofnerf said:



Putin could launch on the UK if Ukraine starts using those long-range Storm Shadow missiles against targets inside Russia.

Not really a good sign. Would the hair-splitting reason Russia launches against the UK really matter when the bodies pile up after a certain point?
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Russia would be stooopid to attack UK. But Putin was stooopid enough to think invading Ukraine would be a cakewalk too.

Having said that, I think they are bluffing. Though big time consequences if they are not. Glad I'm not the one making these decisions.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
Russia would be stooopid to attack UK.
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It would spark NATO. Article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO history, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

I guess we could bomb them out of Ukraine? That would make it hard for them to justify going nuc.
 
Spur's Addiction said:
Russia would be stooopid to attack UK. But Putin was stooopid enough to think invading Ukraine would be a cakewalk too.

Having said that, I think they are bluffing. Though big time consequences if they are not. Glad I'm not the one making these decisions.
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It does seem inconceivable that Putin would want to invoke a war with NATO when he can't even subdue Ukraine.
 
The fact we are even talking about long range missiles and nukes instead of peace negotiations is insane, do you sit around the table and talk about hitting someone in the mouth before hitting them in the mouth... this entire war has played out like this, insanity!!
Saying Russia couldn't subdue Ukraine is like saying NATO couldn't subdue the Taliban or Isreal can't subdue Hamas...
 
John F. Kennedy,  said in 1963, “Nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.”
 
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Russia May Have Stockpiled Its Best Missiles At An Arsenal In The Town Of Toropets. Which Is Why Ukraine Just Blew It Up With 100 Drones.

The explosions registered as a small earthquake.
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In the pre-dawn hours on Tuesday, a large flock of Ukrainian drones winged north from Ukraine all the way to Toropets, a town in western Russian that hosts the 107th Arsenal, a sprawling ammunition dump feeding the Russian force fighting in Ukraine, 300 miles to the south.

The arsenal exploded with enough force to register as a small earthquake, draw the attention of NASA fire-spotting satellites and compel local authorities to order an evacuation of nearby residents. A lot of Russian munitions went up in flames.

Which munitions is unclear. According to Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight, the arsenal stored 122-millimeter rockets, 82-millimeter mortar bombs and 7.62-millimeter ammunition for rifles and machine guns.

But it’s also possible the arsenal contained stocks of much more powerful and rare weapons. Official sources told RBC-Ukraine these stocks included S-300 air-defense missiles and Iskander and KN-23 ballistic missiles—the latter made by North Korea. The Russians use the S-300s, Islanders and KN-23s to bombard Ukrainian cities and electrical infrastructure from hundreds of miles away.
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Every day I wake up hoping to hear the news that someone in Putin's inner circle has taken him out and ended this madness. smh
 
I saw one person with apparent Russian ties in the comments of one of the links saying the seismic reading only corresponded to about 3 tons of TNT, which he took that to mean that the drones took out one storage bunker instead of all 240 tons and that was it. Even if that's true, the shock waves would have destroyed most of the rest.

Allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles to attack Russia's military supply chain could bring an end to the war faster. Russia's economy has been focused on the military for so long, just like Nazi Germany was before WW2.

NATO apparently supports Ukraine's use of long-range ballistic missiles against targets in Russia.
 
Moo Deng will save us and bring world peace.

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Just toss her a corn cob every now and then and everything be alright.
 
I'm trying to remember if the Nazi's had Nukes... the phrase fuck around and find out comes to mind, No one wants to find out!
Who from NATO has supported starting WWIII?
Weird how many use to say Trump has no idea the Evil he is dealing with in Putin but now have no problem poking the bear or calling his bluff when it comes to innocent lives in Ukraine, either go all in or start talks...
Let Ukraine continue to fight Russia like we fought the British... we have given support and Ukraine abandoned the goal of joining NATO in 2010 when offered the same status in 2014 to the new government it declined, the people did not want this and only after they were invaded upon do they now whine and cry to NATO and the US!!
The divide between East and West Ukraine over this very topic has spurred conflict in Ukraine, to say that the Russian border towns are not heavily influenced and pro Russia is being naive!
 
GMB2USC23 said:
I'm trying to remember if the Nazi's had Nukes... the phrase fuck around and find out comes to mind, No one wants to find out!
Who from NATO has supported starting WWIII?
Weird how many use to say Trump has no idea the Evil he is dealing with in Putin but now have no problem poking the bear or calling his bluff when it comes to innocent lives in Ukraine, either go all in or start talks...
Let Ukraine continue to fight Russia like we fought the British... we have given support and Ukraine abandoned the goal of joining NATO in 2010 when offered the same status in 2014 to the new government it declined, the people did not want this and only after they were invaded upon do they now whine and cry to NATO and the US!!
The divide between East and West Ukraine over this very topic has spurred conflict in Ukraine, to say that the Russian border towns are not heavily influenced and pro Russia is being naive!
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Um, there's also that little caveat that we guaranteed their security for them giving up their nukes under a treaty brokered by the Clinton administration.
 
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